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I was glancing over the brettonian army book and was wondering if anyone has ever played an all cavalry brettonian list and if they are effective or not?
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Bretonnia is usually played all-cav or mostly cav. It is viewed as THE all-cav army. This is not to say that brets shouldn't have infantry, just that they often don't.
If you want an all-cav army, I'd make sure you don't omit Mounted Yeomen as charge-baiters and march blockers. All-cav means you'll be outnumbered, and sometimes you'll want to set up a favorable charge or delay part of the enemy army. And once in a while you'll need something to sacrifice, and MY are great for that.
The majority of my games are against my bretonnian-playing friend. He has only once fielded an all-cav army, and has sworn to never do so again. He took a couple of units of mounted yeomen as screeners and baiters, but a bit of archery takes care of them pretty quickly. Aside from that, his lances were just too big to maneuver properly, and I was able to pull off a lot of flank and rear charges. In a typical game he uses his peasants to good effect, and they usually slow down my flankers or (in the case of trebuchets), distract my scouts. In this particular game though, my wood elves just stayed out of his way until the time was right to charge.
So, not being a bretonnian player myself, I can't speak to the wisdom of an all-cav army (and I'm sure my friend's tactics could be picked to pieces), but I just wanted to share my one experience in that arena. I think peasants add a lot of flavor to a bret army anyway.
Would have to agree with misanthrope09, i think that men at arms, being cheaper than cav can help with turning a battle towards the brettonians favor, from their extra ranks. Peasant bowmen are a cheap alternative to pistolers also. so i my experience an all cavalry army would not work
when ive used brettonians ive found them most effective when its a mixture- the men at arms and archers can be suprisingly effective and units of them (as well as the obligatory mounted yeomen) are esential at protecting the vulnerable flanks of your knights lance- plus the knights need someone to hold teir horses dont they?
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ALL CAV can be effective, but once your opponent finds a way around the inital impact of your lances. the lances will have no problem dealing with regular infantry and calvary units but there are many other things that will cause problems for you (strenght 4 shooting, warmachines, magic, tough/stubborn/unbreakable units.)
What has worked best for me has been MSU and a big group of skirmishing PB, maybe a group of M@A. they can provide a distraction/flank/secondary tasks but even if they do nothing they are so cheap that if they are killed it makes no difference.
Although it is often said that brets are THE ALL CAV list, a case can be made for our peasents as well. It can be argued that we also have the best peasents in the game because we can field so many for so few points, and they actually arent that bad.
People often go with all cav becasue they say that peasents are no good. I think the problem is that people don't know how to use them. First, the unit size that you buy makes no sense. 16 is WAYYY to small, 25 is usually a good size. Second, your peasent WILL NOT withstand a charge, they WILL NOT cause any wounds (1 wound is a reason for a celebration) and the WILL drop like flies. Once you understand these things then an ALL CAV list begin to lose its appeal.
ALL CAV also causes brets to lose a lot of their character and strategy. ALLCAV reduces strategy to PRAY, MOVE, CHARGE, MOVE, CHARGE etc. Even if you find ALLCAV effective you will very soon want to mix it up a little anyway. This is the reason brets are often seen as being a noob army, or strategically one-dimensional.
wow, that got long.
I think I was misinterperted a bit. Many people call cheese (shudder) when they see a Bret army coming, but this doesn't have to be the case.I feel insulted cause I am a noob and I really wanted to play Brets...until now that is.
All I'm saying is
ALLCAV=effective...to a degree
ALLCAV=the most fun way to play brets...not really.
Also, my first army was/are Brets. I tried/am trying a lot of the things people are mentioning in the forum.
AND I am not trying to turn anyone of Bretonnians. I believe they are one of the best armies in warhammer (if not the best).
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For me, it is probably going to be either bretts, high elves or dark elves. Since high elves will get new models soon, they are out of the question, and dark elves...well I am sorta playing dark eldar in 40k so its the same thing as starting the whole army again so I think they are also kind of out of the question. So, whats left is bretts...