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Hello aGain, I'm here with another question that I think is important for all bretonnia players.
How the hell do you deal with "always strikes first" heroes?
So far I've played 2 low point games, one against dwarfs and one against chaos... In both games I was afraid to pit my paladins against their heroes because they were equipped with items that said "always strikes first", and their heroes totally outclasssed me so long as I wasn't on the charge. Chaos player, definitely a more seasoned one then me, said that it was necessary to get a strike first item against bretonnians since they almost always get the charge.
From my experience, then, this is a pretty common incidence for brets. You must have found a way of dealing with these heroes, otherwise it would suck pretty bad for our charge reliant, duelist heroes, right? What is it?
Post please, My knights are afriad to ride to battle again!
Did you ever think that people are scared of Bret Heroes because of the reasons you mentioned?
"our charge reliant, duelist heroes, right?"
duelist heroes... how do you beat a duelist hero? you snap him in the face with a big old "you're slower than me" stamp. If they have the strike first item they'll be challenged and refuse (since they'll lose) and not get to fight, that seems unfair to them since your hero is so much more adept at duels and so they counter that factor by using their resources, which tips the scales and lets you see how people feel when they don't have strike first items...
Originally Posted by swntzu
With my Dark Elves I use an assasain to counter that, but with Bret's.. Hmm
I guess if you cant cut a tree down then dig it out. If you cant beat that hero then either kill the rest of his army around it. Or, break the unit with a flank charge before he ever gets to fight. Then he will be killed when you persue & catch
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@ Joy: well, I know it's completely natural for another player to get such an item for anoter player, and when my opponent suggested that I heartily agreed with him. But, I still need a way to deal with these items as I know I will face many such opponents.
@Manu_forti: Break them in combat & pursue sounds nice, but it's pretty hard to break chosen warriors of khorne or dwarfs with just KotR... (I currently only have 12 kotr) May be in larger games I'll have a chance...
Still, I'm asking if there is a proper item - virtue combination to overcome, or at least, survive the combat with such a hero...
You know, those BSB's cost a lot when they're killed, and I don't wanna flee from a challenge
and be denied The Lady's protection!
Slam some Grail Knights into his flank and watch him run. But seriously do the same think you would do if your opponent was fielding Archeon. Ignore him and take apart the rest of his army one unit at a time. Throw expendable units (M@A, MY) at it until you can focus on it.
Challenge with your unit champion, then he is the one that dies not your hero. Or charge them with two lances, and have your characters in the front at the outer edges so they won't be in btb with the strike first character.
Challenge HIS champion with MY hero(who is equipped with gauntlet of the duel,of course), then if I erkill his champ, I may still manage to break him without loosing my character or taking his neat hero face on. Yeah, I think that might work.
Thank Stewart, I'm gonna keep that in mind:yes:
um, i thought you cant choose who is challenged... the challenge must be accepted, because of the gauntlet... but your opponent chooses the one who accepts the challenge (and he must accept it).Challenge HIS champion with MY hero
--- I would hope on luck to save my char... and give him the grailshield, as well as the morning star... death to all!.
Low point games... how low? If it's 750 or below the question is invalid since the game doesn't stay balanced at that level... if you're talking like 750-1500 then yes you have a concern.
Well to start with Handbag did have the right of it in what he said, mostly because it addresses a key point.
There is no "I win" hero in WFB. It's not a videogame with a cheat code. It will always be an arms race to compete two heroes and if both parties do everything right, it will still come down to the dice with only a 10-25% edge tops towards one party or the other in the odds.
Enemy hits first? Then make sure you have stuff to survive his attack. Armor, Toughness, Ward Saves, better WS or -to hit items vs him, whatever you got that stops his hits from hurting you. As a Bret I can't imagine you can't get some decent armor + ward saves going in some way.
Enemy too strong to take on? Avoid him, or let him eat a unit champion while your hero hits the unit he's in. Or make your own hero stronger with your gear and options.
Enemy some ungodly special event character from the pits of hell? Once again... just avoid him if he's in a unit, or beat him with combat res if he's not, or laugh at how small the rest of his army is for the luxory of taking him. Make a comment about is he compensating for something. (that's a joke, don't actually do that). Or shell out for your own ungodly special character to fight back with.
Sometimes though, in light of those first two points that's just what you have to face. You wanted to make a challenge hero, you've got to have the balls to use him. You aren't ever gonna have a sure thing in this game. Yes if you're foe strikes first he might kill you, wound you more then once, and you lose. BUT if you've equiped yourself right he won't get all the wounds he needs, you'll survive, hit back, and kill him.
After all if your foe has always strike first, he probably had to give up on either his own armor, abilities, or hitting power. And the few foes that can get both through either base stats or more ways to increase their power then just magic items are usually the few foes that have to pay a butt ton to do it... so your army is trouncing theirs.
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