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    1850 daemon heavy

    So I want to expand my current list to an 1850 list. Here's what I have planned:

    HQ:

    Lord, Bike, PW, Personal Icon

    Greater Daemon

    Troops:

    8x Plague Marines, PC w/ PF, 2 Meltas, Rhino, Personal Icon

    8x Plague Marines, PC w/ PF, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Personal Icon

    8x Lesser Daemons

    8x Lesser Daemons

    Fast Attack:

    4x Bikes, AC w/ Fist, 2 Meltas, Icon of CG

    4x Bikes, AC w/ Fist, 2 Meltas, Icon of CG

    Heavy Support:

    2x Obliterators

    2x Obliterators

    Dakka Pred

    That's 36 bodies, 9 bikes, 1 tank, and 1 monsterous creature

    The general idea is going to be to charge up with the bikes and troops to get early position. Then (hopefully) drop some daemons and oblits for support. My CC is basically all daemons so that if I don't need it I can use them as meat sheilds to protect my more valueable troops. I know I am lacking in the armor department, but in the last battle I played I felt like I had too much invested in armor and my army got picked apart early. Any comments on improvement or additions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by farnola View Post
    So I want to expand my current list to an 1850 list. Here's what I have planned:

    HQ:

    Lord, Bike, PW, Personal Icon

    Greater Daemon
    Great daemon is pretty good value, but looking at your list I believe he will most likely appear out of a biker champion. A biker champ with fist costs over 70 points, and is himself pretty decent in cc. So you end up paying 170 points for the greater daemon here and switching one cc specialist with another one.

    If you want to include the daemon I would suggest finding some cheaper way of delivering him. Regular CSMs or raptors are both a lot cheaper than bikers.

    If not taking a daemon weapon on your lord, why then not go for a sorcerer?

    Greater Daemons work very well along side a daemon prince. Having two monstrous creatures like that to rassle with is serious business for most armies.

    Quote Originally Posted by farnola View Post
    Troops:

    8x Plague Marines, PC w/ PF, 2 Meltas, Rhino, Personal Icon

    8x Plague Marines, PC w/ PF, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Personal Icon
    I like putting plasma in plague squads since losing one to overheat is pretty unlikely. You could even go all in and put a plasma pistol on the champ.

    Quote Originally Posted by farnola View Post
    8x Lesser Daemons

    8x Lesser Daemons
    These are good, but do not expect them to perform miracles in cc. Use them to swing a melee in your favor, or as a relatively cheap scoring unit.

    Quote Originally Posted by farnola View Post
    Fast Attack:

    4x Bikes, AC w/ Fist, 2 Meltas, Icon of CG

    4x Bikes, AC w/ Fist, 2 Meltas, Icon of CG
    Not much fat in these squads. You have one guy that is not a champ or has a special weapon. At just over 200 point per squad and as the most likely delivery system for your greater daemon these guys will be a high priority target.

    Quote Originally Posted by farnola View Post
    Heavy Support:

    2x Obliterators

    2x Obliterators
    Good. I have generally had good experience with these guys, even in the new dex.

    Quote Originally Posted by farnola View Post
    Dakka Pred

    That's 36 bodies, 9 bikes, 1 tank, and 1 monsterous creature
    Some problems here I think. You start with only 30 guys on the table (fewer if you deep strike the obliterators). My preference is towards more men. Having just one tank is not a good idea in my opinion. Too easy to kill one tank, and that means the rhinos will not be far behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by farnola View Post
    The general idea is going to be to charge up with the bikes and troops to get early position. Then (hopefully) drop some daemons and oblits for support. My CC is basically all daemons so that if I don't need it I can use them as meat sheilds to protect my more valueable troops. I know I am lacking in the armor department, but in the last battle I played I felt like I had too much invested in armor and my army got picked apart early. Any comments on improvement or additions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
    You say your cc is basically all daemons. I disagree. Do not underestimate champs with fist. Sure they are not the monsters of the earlier codex, but the hidden powerfist remains one of the most effective weapons in the game. A squad of plague marines has amazing staying power, and that means that the champ is gonna get a whole lot of swings with his fist.

    My main concern is that the bikers are there apparently to deliver the lord and greater daemon into cc. But there is relatively few guys in relatively expensive squads. Weighing in at about 200 points for the 4 bikers, they are gonna attract a lot of attention. Bikers are tough, especially when they have turbo boosted, but 4 guys plus a lord can still die pretty quickly to the amount of firepower a standard 1850 point army can dish out. And if they get into cc on round two as you most likely aim for, then 4 guys are not enough to ensure that they are alive when your daemon shows up.

    Might be better for you to increase the number of bikers in the squads, or maybe join them to a single larger squad. But my honest opinion is that swapping them for some raptors would be overall more effective. They are not as sturdy, but can far more easily stay out of los.

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    Those are some great ideas, but perhaps I should explain my choices a bit more. I am staying away from Raptors because in the last few games I have played I have been disappointed with their effectiveness. I have used 6-8 man squads with the Mark of Slannesh and 2 Meltas. They have yet to come close to earning back their points. The 2 games that I played with bikes however, I found that they were much more tactically flexible and much better at manuvering to behind or beside armor to pop it.

    The Greater Daemon 9 times out of 10 comes in via a Plague Champ. I have had it come out of a biker and he more than made back his points + the Biker. I was toying with the idea of a tooled up Prince instead of my current HQ choices. Any thoughts on a good setup?

    Good call on the Plasma Pistols for the Plague Champs. That'll be something to work in for sure.

    I agree that some of my other troops (i.e. the hidden fist) are great at CC, I just meant that the first troops to see CC will be the daemons as they are cheap and can tie up another unit so that my other troops can take care of high priority targets then clean up CC.

    Thanks for the advice!

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