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MoN, Doom bolt, Wings
MoK, TLC, Wings
TL Auto cannon
4* ccw, bolters, bp
1* Pw, IoK
1* Asp champ pf
7* ccw, bp
1* asp champ pf
+ Rhino with combi Plasma
CSM squad #1
7* ccw, bolters
1*asp champ pw, mb, IoCG
+ Rhino with combi plasma
CSM Squad #2
4* ccw, bolters
1* ccw, bolter, IoCG
1* asp champ pw
3* ccw, bolters
2* auto cannon
1* Missile Launcher
Any suggestions on how to imprvoe this list? I really think that everything is good but im not sure about the CSM squad #2 its just to fill in points and kind of be a squad that no one would care about. The other thing is about the HQ i dont know if i should keep them both even though they would be scary but two of them in a 1500pt game expensive (point wise) But if there any other suggestions about the list it would help.;Y
OK. i would use autocannons or missile launchers not a mix.
Id drop the dreadnaught and get a AT pred in there, autocannon and lascannons.
I would re evaluate what you want your list to do, think about what squads perform this task and post it again. If you do do this, PM me the link and i will come and see what i think mate.
I'm afraid that I'm going to have to agree with dan about your list. Seems like you're trying to cram a lot of funcitons into a single unit. In doing so, you end up diluting each squads effectiveness and you then get torn apart.
What your list needs is a little focus. In general I like to think of it this way:
How many close combat units do I need?
- depends on what type of players you game with. Personally, I try to only take 1-2 dedicated CC squads. Berserkers work well here, 8/squad w/ a Fist and Rhino. Raptors also fit this bill nicely and can tank hunt. Chosen can be used here but be careful, you can't always infiltrate.
How much anti-tank do I need?
- same as above. I take 2-3 solid anti-tank units. Obviously a Predator and some Obliterators are your best choices, but Raptors, Terminators, and Havocs work wonders in this department too.
What is the meat of my army?
- For me it is 2 eight man squads of Plague Marines in Rhinos. Each squad has 2 special weapons and a champion with a Fist. These squads take a ton of firepower and slough it off like nothing even happened! They are key to my army, and hence I design the rest of my army around them. I don't really see a meat for yours. I would like to see 2 ten man CSM squads with the Icon of Chaos Glory and either 2 Meltas or 2 Flamers and a Champ w/ a Fist. Stick them in a Rhino and for 255 or 245 pts each you'll be ready to build around them.
I agree with your assessment that 2 HQ's is overkill. Keep the Prince, drop the Lord. Now you have a CC dedicated unit. Keep your Zerkers, without the combi on the Rhino. Done with CC.
Next up is anti-tank. You look to be staying away from vehicles, so lets stay with that and add in a couple Havoc squads. As dan said, don't mix. Do 2 eight man squads with either 4 ML or 4 Autocannons. Don w/ anti-tank (your Melta weilding CSMs can count here if need be)
This puts you around 1298 pts if my math is correct. It's really up to you what to add from this point. As it stands, you have 3 strong troop choices, a monster HQ, and 2 good long range support units. Here's where you can add in a nice, versitile unit; basically whatever you need in your circle. Need some CC punch? Raptors. Extra firepower? Havocs or a couple Oblits. Personally, I would go with the ever useful 5 man Terminator squad. 4 combi-plasmas, a Heavy Flamer and a Chain-fist for 190 pts will easily make their points back. Plus with the Icons on the CSMs and a personal icon added to the Zerkers (5 pts) you can drop them in where needed the most. 1298 + 195 . . . carry the 7 . . . looks like 1493 pts!
Wow, that ended up being pretty long. Sorry bout that! Anyway, I just like seeing players get started in the right direction and crushing the Imperial scum at every turn.
Hope this helped and I look forward to perusing future lists from you!