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    1000 points of 1K sons

    Sorcerer Lord:
    Sorcerer Lord (+ doombolt and wind of change)
    Tzeethz disc .
    200

    Thousand sons:
    7 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ doombolt)
    1 Rhino .
    266

    Thousand sons:
    7 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ doombolt)
    1 Rhino .
    266

    Predator:
    Predator (twin linked lascannon, heavy sponsers) .
    135

    1 tanks
    2 armourd troop carriers
    1 Lord
    16 troops



    still 133 points left to divide on more boddies but since this is my first ever list whihc is other then necron i'm kinda guessing in the dark any help is really apriciated.

    Last edited by forumjayz; February 27th, 2008 at 17:27.

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    Hmmm.

    The only real thing you lack here is some decent anti tank/anti horde firepower, and therefore here is my suggestion:

    1) Change the first Pred to the following:

    Predator: 145pts
    Autocannon
    Lascannon Sponsons
    Extra Armour

    2) The get a second pred of the following config:

    Predator: 115pts
    Autocannon
    Heavy Bolter Sponsons
    Havoc Launcher

    This will increase your firepower, allowing you to keep shooting away from your rhinos and their deadly cargo.

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    what about this?:

    Hq:
    Sorcerer Lord (+wind of chaos )
    Tzeethz disc
    190
    Thousand sons:
    6 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ bolt of change)
    225
    Thousand sons:
    6 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ bolt of change)
    225
    Thousand sons:
    6 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ bolt of change)
    225
    Heavy suport:
    Predator (twin linked lascannon, heavy sponsers)
    135
    1 tanks
    1 Lord
    21 troops

    more bodies nice anti troops and nice anti armour
    Last edited by forumjayz; February 27th, 2008 at 23:07.

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    Ginger had some good comments about your lack of tank busting and swarm handling. This will always be an issue for T.S. armies, considering their high cost of marines and lack of special weapons. The second issue involves your hq, who is entirely out there on his own. Most people get around this by including a unit of raptors, where the lord/sorcerer can hide. However, I'm strongly discouraging against this for a 1000 point army- not enough points, you know. So, here are a couple of options:

    1) Daemon Prince-
    *IoT
    *Warp Time
    *Flight
    (Can handle his own and will distract incoming range fire away from your other vehicles. In 1000 point games, he's awfully difficult to kill)

    2) Sorcerer-
    *IoT
    *Warp Time (or another complimentary power)
    (Will ride in a rhino)

    Your current list has only one tank buster, which is a serious problem. This is more of an issue than your lack of swarm management. So, I'm recommending that you take two of the following:

    Predator with las-sponsons (extra armor is nice, but it's also expensive for 1000 point builds, as well as the fact that preds become significantly tougher in low point games, due to the general lack of enemy tank busters. Given these two things, I'd opt not to take extra armor).

    EDIT: Your current predator is ok, but IMHO, too much of a mixed bag. It's trying to do too many things at once, though, others will disagree.

    EDIT: Your most recent build is actually better, but incredibly slow. Also, having just one vehicle makes it the obvious target for enemy tank busters, so at this point, you might as well drop it in favor of something else.
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    Hey rabbit thanks for the advice.

    Just a cpele of questions. The demon prince in your suggestion he has no more spells isn't this usefull (wind of choas is pretty nice for a cc lord) ???
    in which rhino would the sorcerer take place and what would his abilties be like (i'd have to drop the disc because of rules) so what upgrade's would be worth taking in that situation.

    yeha the second list is really slow but has lot's of anti armour (bolt of change) and some nice bodie count which in my opinion is really immportant because the thousand suns are so expensie nowadays. But i might be taking to much boddies itno account because i'm used to making lsit with lot of boddies (necron).

    But what list would i end up whit if you add the changes your mentioned?
    Last edited by forumjayz; February 27th, 2008 at 22:25.

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    Body count: No, you're absolutely right to be concerned with your overall numbers. List two will probably do better, but it's boring (like most competitive lists). In take and hold missions and objectives, you'll really have to truck it. Also, the lack of long range tank busting is still a problem, although, you should be fine (still talking about list two). Mechy Eldar & Tau might give you a problem.

    Daemon Prince: In low point games, you can't afford to give the prince or sorcerer a second psi power. Keep it at one. Statistically, warp time is far better than winds of chaos. It almost doubles his kills against MEQs. For larger games, i prefer doom bolt over winds, as it's cheap and gives the prince a slightly better range.

    It doesn't matter which rhino you put the sorcerer int; they exactly the same. ;Y

    As far as equipping the sorcerer, I've given you the one in my previous that IMHO works best with your build: Sorcerer (IoT, Warp Time). Cheap and actually better in c.c. than most lords, including one with twin-lightning claws and most of our daemon weapons. Plus, you could use the c.c .finesse.

    Oh, one of the advantages of the prince is that he gives you a high strength in c.c. that will help combat enemy monstrous creatures, such as carnifexes and tyrants. Of course, this isn't a deal breaking in its self, but just something to bear in mind.
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    well it seems like I just need to reavalute all the points that have been taken int o consideration and make a refined list. it seems I need to rethink my HQ the moust and decide which would be better and what to combine to get att least 1 Rhino in for some speed. proabbly give that sorcerer doombolt so they can do some nice rhino rushing to immportant places.

    So rethink HQ and get 1 Rhino in so I have some mobility

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumjayz View Post

    So rethink HQ and get 1 Rhino in so I have some mobility
    Just be careful of fielding only a single vehicle, especially when it's as fragile as a rhino. You can bet your bottom dollar that it will be destroyed on round one.
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    then this will porbably not work either:

    Sorcerer List

    Sorcerer Lord (+warptime. IoT)
    Tzeethz disc
    185
    Thousand sons:
    7 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ doombolt)
    Rhino
    266
    Thousand sons:
    5 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ bolt of change)
    200
    Thousand sons:
    5 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ bolt of change)
    200
    Predator:
    Predator (twin linked lascannon, heavy sponsers)
    135
    2 tanks
    1 Lord
    20 troops
    Totale: 986, this means 14 left suggestions

    Demon list

    Demon prince: (+warptime. IoT)
    Wings
    175
    Thousand sons:
    7 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ doombolt)
    Rhino
    266
    Thousand sons:
    5 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ bolt of change)
    200
    Thousand sons:
    5 marines
    1 aspiring sorcerer (+ bolt of change)
    200
    Heavy support:
    Predator (twin linked lascannon, heavy sponsers)
    135
    2 tanks, 1 Lord, 20 troops
    Totale: 976, this means 24 left suggestions


    Maybe tacking the extra armour for my rhino
    Last edited by forumjayz; February 28th, 2008 at 00:00.

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    Hmm, I would now consider dropping the armour all together from the list, and then work on the following as a template:

    HQ:

    Daemon Prince: 175pts
    MoT
    Wings
    Warptime

    Troops:


    4 Thousand Sons: 162pts
    1 Aspiring Sorceror with Doombolt

    4 Thousand Sons: 162pts
    1 Aspiring Sorceror with Doombolt

    4 Thousand Sons: 162pts
    1 Aspiring Sorceror with Doombolt

    4 Thousand Sons: 177pts
    1 Aspiring Sorceror with Bolt of Change

    Heavy Support:

    6 Havocs: 155pts
    IoCG
    2 Autocannons
    1 Heavy Bolter

    Total: 993pts

    Hope this helps

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