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    The Crippled Doves

    This is the army list accompanying the fluff as posted in post 12 of this thread: http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...ml#post1089374 (The Crippled Doves - Chaos Chapter). I hope you enjoy reading both the fluff and the army list. I appreciate both criticism and suggestions.

    Some of you may have seen me posting army lists in various army forums (I have models for many of the armies in 40k, but not enough to make a single 2,000pt list in any one of them). Well, I've decided that, mainly due to my love of the original fluff and the fluff I've been writing for this army, that I'll be doing mainly Chaos Space Marines from this point on. Here you go:

    Amnotept - 200pts
    Daemon Prince
    Wings
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Daemon Prince Power: Bolt of Change
    Daemon Prince Power: Warptime

    Father Alexander - 210pts
    Chaos Sorcerer
    Terminator Armor, Force Weapon & Twin-linked Bolter
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Familiar
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Doombolt
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Bolt of Change
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Warptime

    Brother Vario's Thousand Sons - 315pts
    Aspiring Sorcerer & 10 Thousand Sons
    Aspiring Sorcerer Power: Bolt of Change

    Crippled Doves - 305pts
    Aspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport with Extra Armor & Pintle-mounted, Twin-linked Bolter

    Crippled Doves - 305pts
    Aspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport with Extra Armor & Pintle-mounted, Twin-linked Bolter

    Crippled Doves - 305pts
    Aspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport with Extra Armor & Pintle-mounted, Twin-linked Bolter

    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
    Lascannon Side-sponsors

    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
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    Crippled Dove Anti-Infantry Predator - 100pts
    Chaos Predator
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    In my original list, I'd only had two units of 'Crippled Doves,' both without transports and power fists. I'd taken no Predators. I had no Daemon Prince. But I did have a Chaos Lord, unit of Terminators, two Obliterators, Greater Daemon and three small units of Lesser Daemons.

    As I edited the list, my original intention was to give my marines transports so that they could more effectively deliver the lesser daemons into combat. But as I tinkered with the list more and more, it completely changed and is now what you see in this thread.

    Let me know what you think.

    -Nik

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post

    Amnotept - 200pts
    Daemon Prince
    Wings
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Daemon Prince Power: Bolt of Change
    Daemon Prince Power: Warptime
    This guys rather expensive. Id consider dropping one of the powers to free up points.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Father Alexander - 210pts
    Chaos Sorcerer
    Terminator Armor, Force Weapon & Twin-linked Bolter
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Familiar
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Doombolt
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Bolt of Change
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Warptime
    This guy doesnt need that many powers, give him one or two at the most. Is he Deepstriking or walking?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Brother Vario's Thousand Sons - 315pts
    Aspiring Sorcerer & 10 Thousand Sons
    Aspiring Sorcerer Power: Bolt of Change
    Doom bolt has much better synergy with the inferno bolts of the TS. If you fire your bolt of change at a vehicle then you waste your inferno bolts and vice versa. Can TS be at unit strength 11? These guys would benefit from a rhino.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Crippled Doves - 305ptsAspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport with Extra Armor & Pintle-mounted, Twin-linked Bolter
    The rhino costs too much, drop the upgrades, consider the rhino destryoed once it gets targetted. Its worth its points for moving your troops once up the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
    Lascannon Side-sponsors

    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
    Lascannon Side-sponsors

    Crippled Dove Anti-Infantry Predator - 100pts
    Chaos Predator
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    Nice layout.

    Id trim down on the points spent on each unit. Alot of them are very expensive.

    Dan

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    Terminator, although fluffy, is not a good choice for HQs. You can't ride in a rhino with the rest of your guys, and walking on foot will be too slow. You can chose to deepstrike, but you're deepstriking a single guy by himself, guaranteeing that he will be killed the following turn.
    HDZ

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    ok nice list but id refine it slightly.

    for the deamon prince drop the bolt of change... every turn a DP spends out of combat is a turn wasted and exposed to fire.

    for your sorcceror id recommend dropping termi armour and giving him a steed. this disc will let you dart about shooting critical targets with bolt of change while keepign you safe and if you have to your combat skill and the bonus from the disc will let you survive CC pretty well to.. and let you plug gaps exploit flanks and assist as needed. better than termi armour for your sorc

    again drop the fancy rhinos and jsut buy bricks..aka bog standard no add-on rhinos. this will free up a lot of points you'll find.


    lose one of the anti armour preds and add in a defiler. it will divert fire from your preds as it charges at the enemy..and pie cannons are useful in the right place. defilers are much better in cc than most other things so you can expect them to draw fire and probably still survive

    thats what i'd change..depending on how much you have left.. you could maybe add another thousand son or two


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    I've edited the list. While I didn't blindly conform to whatever alterations you suggested, the given criticism did inspire me to think about a few things. Here's the revised list:

    Amnotept - 200pts
    Daemon Prince
    Wings
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Daemon Prince Power: Bolt of Change
    Daemon Prince Power: Warptime

    Father Alexander -165pts
    Chaos Sorcerer
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Doombolt
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Warptime

    Brother Vario's Thousand Sons - 317pts
    Aspiring Sorcerer & 9 Thousand Sons
    Aspiring Sorcerer Power: Doombolt
    Aspiring Sorcerer's Personal Icon
    Dedicated Rhino Transport

    Crippled Doves - 270pts
    Aspiring Champion & 8 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport

    Crippled Doves - 285pts
    Aspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport

    Crippled Doves - 285pts
    Aspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport

    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
    Lascannon Side-sponsors

    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
    Lascannon Side-sponsors

    Crippled Dove Anti-Infantry Predator - 100pts
    Chaos Predator
    Heavy Bolter Side-sponsors

    Chaos Daemons - 117pts
    9 Lesser Daemons of Chaos

    The list has gone from 2,000pts to 1,999pts. As you can see, everything is now mechanized and geared for forward movement or rapid redeployment. The first group of Chaos Marines in the Rhino is one man shorter than the others so that Father Alexander can ride with them in the transport. The Daemons aren't a huge part of my plan. They're the cherry on top. I just took advantage of the icons already present in my groups (via the Marks of Tzeentch) to give myself the potential to possibly bring in meatshields mid-game between a unit of mine and the enemy.

    Thoughts?

    -Nik
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Amnotept - 200pts
    Daemon Prince
    Wings
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Daemon Prince Power: Bolt of Change
    Daemon Prince Power: Warptime

    Father Alexander -165pts
    Chaos Sorcerer
    Mark of Tzeentch
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Doombolt
    Chaos Sorcerer Power: Warptime
    These two look better now, much less points spent on unneeded items.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Brother Vario's Thousand Sons - 317pts
    Aspiring Sorcerer & 9 Thousand Sons
    Aspiring Sorcerer Power: Doombolt
    Aspiring Sorcerer's Personal Icon
    Dedicated Rhino Transport
    Big solid squad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Crippled Doves - 270pts
    Aspiring Champion & 8 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport
    This unit is illegal, you cant take anyless than 10 marines in a squad and take two weapons. Swap one TS into a marine and put the sorcerer into the TS squad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Crippled Doves - 285pts
    Aspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport

    Crippled Doves - 285pts
    Aspiring Champion & 9 Chaos Space Marines
    Aspiring Champion's Power Fist
    Unit Icon of Tzeentch
    2 Meltaguns
    Dedicated Rhino Transport
    Some nice units. I think they would do better with plasma guns
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikblade2005 View Post
    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
    Lascannon Side-sponsors

    Crippled Dove Anti-Armor Predator - 130pts
    Chaos Predator
    Lascannon Side-sponsors

    Crippled Dove Anti-Infantry Predator - 100pts
    Chaos Predator
    Heavy Bolter Side-sponsors

    Chaos Daemons - 117pts
    9 Lesser Daemons of Chaos
    Not bad choices. If you follow kakashi's adivce Id drop the Dakka pred for the defiler. You dont want to loose too much AT power.

    Dan

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