1750 Undivided - Competitive

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The chaos lord with daemon weapon had managed to find its way back into the list. In my opinion there are much better choices for leading terminators in a land raider: Abaddon>Kharn>Sorceror with warptime>Chaos lord with lightning claws. If you do use Kharn you would be better off separating him from the terminators to prevent him from killing them as well.

I'm gonna leave my Rhinos bare apart from a combi-melta, so that after they've dropped off my troops the Rhino can drive off and pop a tank from 6" rolling 2D6 for armour penetration. I am leaving the power fists on so my marines can, if meltas fail, assault walkers and the like and do some damage.

A power fist on a standard chaos space marine isn't really going to do a lot verses a walker. You only get 3 attacks on the charge, against dreadnoughts only half will hit then you need to roll a 5+ to get a penetrating hit, then a 5+ to do any decent damage.

The rhinos are as much for protection as mobility, you want to stay in them for as long as possible to avoid anti infantry fire and prevent things charging you. You only want to disembark if there is a good target you can rapid fire or during the later stages of the game when there is less to target your marines. I don't think the combi melta is worth it beacause your rhinos will probably be moving a lot and so won't be able to fire you would be better off putting the points elsewhere.


Don't forget when using a greater daemon you have to posses a lord, champion etc. The cheapest champion you have is 55 points which means the greater daemon isn't quite the bargain it seems.


I don't see why you still want the champion upgrade on the terminators. Icon of khorne is 10 points cheaper and practically gives the same result.


The predator with triple lascannons would be useful for anti tank but it is overcosted in my opinion (compared to an imperial guard vendetta, 130 points for 3 twin-linked lascannons) and isn't all that great against tanks. I like the predator with autocannons, heavy bolter and a havoc launcher. Great against infantry, heavy infantry, monstrous creatures and even light vehicles if needed.


I think you should drop the greater daemon, possibly some of the lesser daemons, the chaos space marine champions. With the points add in 2 predators with the configuration I mentioned above, upgarde your lord to something more powerful and possibly another chaos space marine squad if you've got the points.

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I think something like this would work:

Kharn
4 Terminators - Icon of Khorne, 3 Pairs of Lightning Claws, Heavy Flamer, Chainfist
Land Raider Extra Armour

10 Chaos Space Mairnes - 2 Meltaguns, Rhino

10 Chaos Space Mairnes - 2 Meltaguns, Rhino

10 Chaos Space Mairnes - 2 Meltaguns, Rhino

Predator - Autocannon, Heavy Bolters, Havoc Launcher

7 Lesser Daemons

Predator - Autocannon, Heavy Bolters, Havoc Launcher

Predator - Autocannon, Heavy Bolters, Havoc Launcher

Total: 1741pts

You could pick a cheaper hq and get more lesser daemos. You could replace the chaos space marines with plague marines. You save a few points but are a lot shorter on bodies.
10 Chaos Space Mairnes - 2 Meltaguns, Rhino @205 points
6 Plague Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Rhino @193 points

[SomePerson]

K, thanks for all the help guys. I probably won't take Kharn as I don't really like special characters, but I like the rest of that list.

Thanks again,
SomePerson