[2000] Chaos Undivided

[MADDNESS]

Hi, even though im collecting Tau im getting my Chaos army up for any 2000 tourney can you help me with it i think its quite bad but thats why im posting here any critising is welcome


HQ

Daemon prince
D.staure, D.Strength, D.blade, D.Aura, D.armour D,essence mark of chaos undivided , spiky pits /175

ELITES

3 obliterators / 210

5 Terminators , powerfist , Chianfist , Reaper – Autocannon , Combi-flamer , Combi-melta / 233

Troops

5 troops 1 Lascannon 1 plasma gun

5 troops 1 Lascannon 1 plasma gun

10 troops with 2 plasma pistol 1 AC with powerfist

10 troops with 2 plasma pistol 1 AC with powerfist

Fast Attack

10 Bikers with 3 flamers / 355

Heavy support

Defiler with Parasitic mutation, mutated hull /210

Predator with Lascannon configuration / 145

Dreadnaught with Mutated hull and plasma cannnon / 125

thanks!

[Tones]

Daemon prince
D.staure, D.Strength, D.blade, D.Aura, D.armour D,essence mark of chaos undivided , spiky pits /175

Overall, quite nice. But you need Daemonic Resilience. Resilience is 10x better than essence, so drop essence if you need to.

3 obliterators / 210

Can't go wrong here

5 Terminators , powerfist , Chianfist , Reaper – Autocannon , Combi-flamer , Combi-melta / 233

Small and kind of confused. It doesn't seem focused on anything. You have some long range, some medium range, some close range firepower and a chainfist. Firstly, I'd take a larger squad if you take any, as these guys will die quickly, and specialise what they do.

5 troops 1 Lascannon 1 plasma gun

5 troops 1 Lascannon 1 plasma gun

Very nice.

10 troops with 2 plasma pistol 1 AC with powerfist

10 troops with 2 plasma pistol 1 AC with powerfist

I assume they have CCW and BPs. If not they need to. But, more importantly, they need rhinos or they won't be doing a lot in a hurry.

10 Bikers with 3 flamers / 355

Firstly, you shouldn't take squads of 10 in bikes. At least split them into two squads of 5. Even then, I'd only have one squad of about six.

Defiler with Parasitic mutation, mutated hull /210

Don't give it parastic possession, it's really not needed for an already expensive model.

Predator with Lascannon configuration / 145

Very nice, though daemonic possession could help a great deal.

Dreadnaught with Mutated hull / 125

No weapons?

Basically, I think you have too much heavy support, too much fast attack, and too few troops.

Heavy: Get rid of the dreadnaught. It'll do the least. Unless you really want it in combat. If that's the case, drop the Predator. You have 3 obliterators and 2 lascannon squads.

Fast Attack: Go down to six bikes at most.

Troops: You need way more firepower. With the points from the less extensive FA and Heavy you should be able to buy two 8 man squads with a special and heavy weapon. Give them bolters as well.

With those changes I think the list is shaping up nicely.

[[Black] Katalyst]

i agree with Tones.

if you use bikes, get a nice champ going and each squad should have 2 melta guns and possibly infiltrate them. i use 2 squads of 5 bikes with champs w/ power fists and 2 meltas a peice and infiltrate in my night lords.

its priceless to see your emeny's face when you hit the side armor of his basilisks or russes with 2 meltas a peice first turn.

i never likes daemon princes, i'd rather have a termie lord and have him join a unit of 6 termies with 2 reapers.

obilterators are ok, but if they die its A LOT of points gone.

[MADDNESS]

i only gave those termies what they have because that whats comes in the box.....
And about the to much on fast attack and heavy support i spent 655 points on troops and 355 on fast attack and 480 on h support.

yes i did give them CC wepons, what should i take away to put 2 rhinos in? ill take away parasetic mutation add in deamonic posseion thatll be 20 and maybe an oblitorator?


also with those changes i will off thrown away 50£ of heavy support and needed to buy another 30£ of troops ontop of my 30£ of troops i already need to buy.

Ill make the termies the retinue even though they can still shoot deamon prince and add in a reaper auto cannon so ill have

6 termies
2x reaper autocannnon, 3x power fist, combi-flamer,combi-melta.