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    Emperor's Children [1500] - Friendly

    My first 1500 build. I haven't bought any models beyond a box of vanilla CSM, so any comments, suggestions, etc are welcome.


    CSM: Emperor's Children Army

    HQ:

    1 Daemon Prince @ 172 Pts
    Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x2)
    Daemonic Aura
    Daemonic Flight
    Daemonic Mutation
    Daemonic Stature
    Combat Drugs
    Daemonic Strength

    TROOPS:

    5 Noise Marine Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 202 Pts
    Favoured Unit; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x3); Bolt Pistol (x3); Sonic
    Blaster (x1); Blastmaster (x1)

    1 Free Aspiring Champion
    Free Aspiring Champion; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x1); Power Fist
    (x1)

    1 Chaos Rhino
    Combi-Bolter
    Extra Armour
    Smoke Launcher

    5 Noise Marine Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 202 Pts
    Favoured Unit; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x3); Bolt Pistol (x3); Sonic
    Blaster (x1); Blastmaster (x1)

    1 Free Aspiring Champion
    Free Aspiring Champion; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x1); Power Fist
    (x1)

    1 Chaos Rhino
    Combi-Bolter
    Extra Armour
    Smoke Launcher

    5 Noise Marine Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 202 Pts
    Favoured Unit; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x3); Bolt Pistol (x3); Sonic
    Blaster (x1); Blastmaster (x1)

    1 Free Aspiring Champion @
    Free Aspiring Champion; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x1); Power Fist
    (x1)

    1 Chaos Rhino
    Combi-Bolter
    Extra Armour
    Smoke Launcher

    6 Daemonette (Troops) @ 90 Pts
    Daemonette
    #Daemonic Talons

    6 Daemonette (Troops) @ 90 Pts
    Daemonette
    #Daemonic Talons


    FAST ATTACK:

    5 Noise Marine Bikers (Fast Attack) @ 256 Pts
    Favoured Unit; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x5); Sonic Blasters (x5)
    #Chaos Marine Bike

    1 Free Aspiring Champion
    Free Aspiring Champion; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x1); Power
    Weapon (x1); Sonic Blasters
    #Chaos Marine Bike

    HEAVY:

    1 Chaos Defiler (Heavy Support) @ 150 Pts
    Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Battle Cannon; Reaper
    Autocannon; Heavy Flamer
    #Daemonic Possession

    1 Chaos Dreadnought (Heavy Support) @ 135 Pts
    Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Missile Launcher; TL
    Lascannons

    Models in Army: 42


    Total Army Cost: 1499


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    You've got alot of high priority threats, which will cause your opponent to think about what he wants to take out. It's to your benefit anytime your opponent has to contemplate what to take out. The strong point of your army is that your rhinos might actually go the distance, if your opponent focuses on your walkers, bikes, and the prince. The bikers are also high priority targets, and are perhaps the most effecient unit in your army: They fire and move...fire and move...summon daemonettes...then charge into c.c. Basically, they are effective from the get go.
    Your biggest weakness is the lack of noise marines. Three troop squads just isn't enough. If you're facing a genestealer swarm then you won't be charging them, in which case, the rhinos are much less effective. On the other hand, if you substituted infiltrate for the rhinos, then you almost enough points for an additional noise marine squad; then, when facing a gene swarm, you could position yourself into a good fortification during set up, and will have 4 squads instead of 3.

    If you really want to use the rhinos, then you must have at least one more noise marine squad. If you drop the defiler, then you're less than 50 points away. Your army has alot of places where you can cut corners:
    1- drop daemonic mutation from your prince and take daemonic resilience: 5 points left over
    2- drop sonic blasters from all your troop squads: 45 points

    The following suggestions are geared towards increasing your troop numbers and decreasing their cost. For this reason, I'm suggesting you drop the rhinos and the defiler and give all your noise marines infiltrate. If you really want to use rhinos, then you absolutely need at least 4 squads, in which case you still need to drop the defiler. Of course, you can always draw points from your H.Q, but reducing your prince to a chaos Lt, give him a kai gun- not a bad idea at all.



    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadair

    1 Daemon Prince @ 172 Pts
    Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x2)
    Daemonic Aura
    Daemonic Flight
    Daemonic Mutation
    Daemonic Stature
    Combat Drugs
    Daemonic Strength
    Pretty good configuration for your H.Q. He needs daemonic resilience. Drop mutation if you need the points. It's good to see Slaanesh players using combat drugs. It's definitely worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadair
    5 Noise Marine Chaos Space Marines (Troops) @ 202 Pts
    Favoured Unit; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x3); Bolt Pistol (x3); Sonic
    Blaster (x1); Blastmaster (x1)

    1 Free Aspiring Champion
    Free Aspiring Champion; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x1); Power Fist
    (x1)

    1 Chaos Rhino
    Combi-Bolter
    Extra Armour
    Smoke Launcher
    Mixing c.c with ranged isn't a good idea. Remember, your c.c. units need to be prepared to deal fast, hard damage, or else they will not survive the counter attack. Consider dropping the sonic blasters and replacing them with a bolt pistol and a c.c. weapon. This will serve you better and allow you a few more points elsewhere. The blastmaster is a good idea and has always served me well in c.c. squads.

    Concerning the rhino: You're paying 202 points for 6 very fragile models, which makes them really expensive and not very hardy. Rhinos are generally best in black legion and thousand sons armies, where you pay 50 points to transport 9-10 troops. In your case, your paying 50 points to transport 6 troops, which raises the price of each model significantly. At any rate, infiltrate will serve you better for the point cost.

    Three noise marine squads: In a 1500 point army you really need 4-6 noise marine squads for a c.c. oriented army. I suggest 5-6, but 4 is a bare minimum.

    Concerning the A.C.: A power weapon is a good idea, but give your aspiring champions daemonic strength. Without d. str you simply will not be able to survive the counter attack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadair
    6 Daemonette (Troops) @ 90 Pts
    Daemonette
    #Daemonic Talons
    Always a good choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadair
    5 Noise Marine Bikers (Fast Attack) @ 256 Pts
    Favoured Unit; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x5); Sonic Blasters (x5)
    #Chaos Marine Bike

    1 Free Aspiring Champion
    Free Aspiring Champion; Mark of Slaanesh; CC Weapon (x1); Power
    Weapon (x1); Sonic Blasters
    #Chaos Marine Bike
    Looks good. Again, daemonic strength on your a.c. will really help this squad. You might consider putting a melta gun on your a.c. to pop tanks. I'd prefer the melta in place of daemonic mutation on your prince.

    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadair
    1 Chaos Dreadnought (Heavy Support) @ 135 Pts
    Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Missile Launcher; TL
    Lascannons
    Consider daemonic possession or mutated hull for this pup, which will help him resist the ranged fire. Also, the dread should be firing and advancing...firing and advancing...then charging into c.c.. It's not a good idea to drop his c.c. weapon. Leave the dread with a good anit-vehicle ranged weapon and it's c.c. weapon.
    Last edited by Rabbit; November 26th, 2005 at 19:43.

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