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    [1500] Word Bearers, fluffy/offensive tactical

    Hey all. My current Loyalist Marines are a fine Chapter, but they aren't enough for me. Fate and a buddy who was getting out of the hobby has convinced me to take command of a Legion I like the look of: Word Bearers. It was mainly the Dark Apostle, daemons, and the potential for nine Troops choices that drew me. Anywho, I'd like this to be a force that fits with the fluff of Word Bearers and can hold it's own in a tourney. I don't really want to exceed more than two for Heavy Support, Fast Attack, or Elites. If you recommend a way to include more Troops (especially daemons) then I am all ears. Now, to the list!


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    Chaos Lieutenant (Dark Apostle)
    -Mark of Chaos Undivided
    -Accursed Crozius
    -bolt pistol
    -frag grenades
    -Daemonic Strength
    -Infiltrate
    Cost: 117 points

    (NOTE: Infiltrating with the first close combat Chaos Space Marine squad)



    Troops

    Chaos Space Marines
    -Aspiring Champion w/Mark of Chaos Undivided & power fist
    -2 meltaguns
    -5 bolt pistols and chainswords
    -Icon
    -Mark of Chaos Undivided
    -Infiltrate
    Cost: 192 points

    Chaos Space Marines
    -Aspiring Champion w/Mark of Chaos Undivided & power fist
    -2 meltaguns
    -5 bolt pistols and chainswords
    -Icon
    -Mark of Chaos Undivided
    -Infiltrate
    Cost: 192 points

    Chaos Space Marines
    -Aspiring Champion w/Mark of Chaos Undivided & power fist
    -2 meltaguns
    -5 bolt pistols and chainswords
    -Icon
    -Mark of Chaos Undivided
    -Infiltrate
    Cost: 192 points

    6 Daemonettes
    Cost: 90 points

    6 Daemonettes
    Cost: 90 points

    6 Daemonettes
    Cost: 90 points

    8 Bloodletters
    Cost: 208 points


    Fast Attack

    8 Furies
    Cost: 120 points


    Heavy Support

    Chaos Havocs
    -4 plasma guns
    -4 bolters
    -Mark of Chaos Undivided
    -Icon
    -Infiltrate
    Cost: 204 points


    Total Cost: 1,495 points

    Constructive critisism is entirely welcome, while useless one-liners and vague advice is not. Have at it, folks!

    EDIT1: Removed infiltrate on the shooty CSM squads and Havocs, replaced the plasma guns with missile launchers, removed Aspiring Champs, and replaced the Defiler with an Autopred. This leaves me with 136 spare points. I am considering getting another daemon pack to fill those points up. How many think that is a good idea?

    EDIT2: Swapped the Havocs for the laspred, added daemonic mutation, daemonic visage, and bionics to the Dark Apostle, and added a squad of Plaguebearers for variety's sake. That brings me to six Troops choices.

    EDIT3: Dropped the Possessed, added frags and two men to the squad the Dark Apostle will be joining, lowered the numbers of the lascannon squads by two each, and added a pack of Bloodletters. I'm playing Word Bearers, so there whould be a lot of daemons in here.

    EDIT4: Stripped some stuff from the Dark Apostle to make room for more stuff, though exactly what I'm not sure of. Perhaps some Daemonetts or Furies? Or a small retinue of Chosen in power armor? As always, precise input is appreciated.

    EDIT5: Added a third squad of Daemonettes. Now I have a ****ton of rending and a whopping eight Troops choices.

    EDIT6: Looking at the number of my troops actually starting on the table, it doesn't really look like I need that laspred. Unless I'm facing hordes, Plaguebearers aren't going to do much. I swapped the Plaguebearers for a unit of Screamers and the laspred for a nice, fluffy, daemon-driven Defiler. There were eight spoare points after that, so I added visage to the Dark Apostle.

    EDIT7: Made the changes according to Arklite's quote below.

    EDIT8: OK, lots to cover on this one. First, I dropped Visage on the Dark Apostle because he had 55 points of Daemonic Gifts with it - an illegal thing to do. Second, I dropped the autopred and rearranged the CSMs into three squads of eight without frags. Third, I swapped the Screamers for eight Furies, due to the fact that Screamers must always break off an assault in their phase. This will hopefully be the final edit. If not... well, I'll take it one step at a time.

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    [useless one-liners]

    It's a good list.

    I don't understand the aspiring champions in the lascannon and havoc units.

    Why not save some points and drop infiltrate on the lascannon units so you can deploy your possessed later?

    [/useless one-liners]

    I recommend only 1 lascannon squad, but I don't have a problem with 2. I'd be getting 2 preds instead by dropping the defiler as well.
    Last edited by onlainari; January 3rd, 2006 at 02:17.
    Quote Originally Posted by rikimaru View Post
    You have the option for instance of infiltrating, outflanking, pillboxing, or anti assault.


    And that's just with the Kroot.

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    OK, Mr. Wise Arse Tau. :tongue: I'll adress your points one-by-one.

    Quote Originally Posted by onlainari
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    It's a good list.

    I don't understand the aspiring champions in the lascannon and havoc units.
    It's my first Chaos list, so it's bound to be a little unwieldly as far as composition goes. I agree with your point on the champs. With the Mark of Chaos Undivided, re-rollable Ld 9 is all I really need there. Scratch two Aspiring Champs.

    Quote Originally Posted by onlainari
    Why not save some points and drop infiltrate on the lascannon units so you can deploy your possessed later?
    I do want them in a position where I can get them into combat as soon as I can, so buffers like the one you suggest will work admirably. Consider it done.

    Quote Originally Posted by onlainari
    I recommend only 1 lascannon squad, but I don't have a problem with 2. I'd be getting 2 preds instead by dropping the defiler as well.
    It sounds like a plan, but that'd give me three Heavy Support choices. There are those plasma Havocs as well. Though, I suppose at this point level it makes little difference. Would you recommend a laspred and an autopred?

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    I think the lascannons are bit of a waste. Considering you want to get the units into combat and you are infiltrating, wouldn't it be better to give them meltas?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge
    I think the lascannons are bit of a waste. Considering you want to get the units into combat and you are infiltrating, wouldn't it be better to give them meltas?
    I was going to drop infiltration on the Chaos Space Marine squads among other things. I suppose I should edit that thing...

    EDIT: OK, it has been editted. Have at it.
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    Ok here's the list I had in mind, but it's not probably not what you're after.

    Chaos Lieutenant 117
    -MoCU, accursed crozius, bolt pistol, frag grenades, d.strength, infiltrate

    2 Obliterators 140

    12 CSM 256
    -MoCU, AC with pfist and bp, 11 bp & ccw, frag grenades, infiltrate
    6 CSM 105
    -MoCU, lascannon
    8 Bloodletters 208
    6 Daemonettes 90
    6 Daemonettes 90

    6 Havocs 168
    -MoCU, 3 missile launchers, infiltrate
    Chaos Predator 195
    -twin las, las spon, d.poss, mutated hull
    Chaos Predator 130
    -auto, hb spon, d.poss

    49 models
    1499pts
    Last edited by onlainari; January 3rd, 2006 at 04:50.
    Quote Originally Posted by rikimaru View Post
    You have the option for instance of infiltrating, outflanking, pillboxing, or anti assault.


    And that's just with the Kroot.

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    No, it's not what I'm looking for. However, by making that post, you bring up a good point. My Dark Apostle is too expensive. The points saved - when combined with my spare points - can get me a pack of Furies or more Daemonettes. I will edit it yet again and let you folks rip it apart once more.


    EDIT: OK, I have editted this thing a fifth time. I hope you folks like it now.

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    nice list, lets see if i can help too^^
    • the point cost for the one lascannon squad is wrong its 105pts not 122pts
    • you dont need an icon in the squad the lieutenant goes with because the crozius counts already as an icon
    • dump the icon, the destruktor and the annihilators mutated hull
    • youve got 180pts left now
    • get a defiler with indirect fire for 175pts

    well thats how i would do it

    very fluffy list and should do well ^_^

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    Ah, the one I've aided with his Raven Guard! I'll address your points one at a time.

    Quote Originally Posted by ROCKYrocks
    [*]the point cost for the one lascannon squad is wrong its 105pts not 122pts
    I noticed that. It's merely something I forgot to edit. I guess I should do that. Blarg. Mind not working right...

    Quote Originally Posted by ROCKYrocks
    you dont need an icon in the squad the lieutenant goes with because the crozius counts already as an icon
    Well, guess what man? Icons are free! Every squad gets one. Besides, that second icon might come in handy should my Dark Apostle fall while spreading the word of the Dark Gods.

    Quote Originally Posted by ROCKYrocks
    the destruktor and the annihilators mutated hull
    OK, why do you want me to drop the autopred? It's a medium-infantry and light vehicle killer that can't be stunned or shaken. And why should I drop mutated hull on my laspred? This makes in immune to plasma and other S7 weapons from the front, and aslo cannot be shaken or stunned. You'll have to be a bit more specific on why.

    Quote Originally Posted by ROCKYrocks
    get a defiler with indirect fire for 175pts
    This is what I mean by useless one-liners. I need to know the whys and wherefores before I make any changes to the list.


    Quote Originally Posted by ROCKYrocks
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    And pray the Dark Gods and their agents grant you a swift and painless demise, misguided brother. :tongue:

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    well i overlooked that icon-thing... i thought that only with marks you can buy an icon :wacko:

    so you can buy an icon in a squad for 10pts but also have the choice to give them all the mark and get the free icon? thats ridiculous :lol:
    • the defiler is anti-almoust-all-infantry
    • good for making marine-pie
    • daemonettes are light vehicle killers too
    • imo a pred and a defiler look better on the table than just 2 preds
    • a possessed vehicle more which fits very well with the word bearer fluff

    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype
    This is what I mean by useless one-liners. I need to know the whys and wherefores before I make any changes to the list.
    of course it doesnt make sense as long as you dont connect it with my other advice :huh:

    in the end it was just some advice... i never forced you to do anything and never will


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    EDIT: im thinking about another raven guard list, would you mind having a look at it once its finished?
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