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    1500 black legion list

    Ok I haven't made a new list in a LONG time so i think it's about time i give it go....

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    Daemon prince Cyrus - 187
    D.aura
    D.essence
    D.speed
    D.resilence
    D.stature
    Dread axe
    CC weapon
    frag grenades
    MOCU
    spikey bits
    furius charge


    Elites

    khorn berzerkers x9 plus champ - 252
    chain axes
    frag grenades
    khorne icon
    Aspiring champion
    MOK
    bolt pistol
    axe of khorne
    frag grenades
    talisman of burning blood
    spikey bits

    Nurgle havoks x7 - 214
    MON
    plasma guns x4
    boltersx3
    infiltrate


    Troops

    Chaos space marines x7 plus champ - 186
    BP CC weapon x5
    melta gunx2
    MOCU
    icon

    Aspiring champion
    MOCU
    power fist
    bolt pistol
    spikey bits


    Chaos space marines x7 plus champ - 168
    boltersx5
    heavy bolter
    plasma gun
    MOCU
    icon

    Aspiring champion
    power weapon
    bolt pistol
    MOCU
    spikey bits

    blood letters x8 208


    Heavy suport

    Chaos havoksx7 - 220
    autocanononx4
    boltersx3
    infiltrate
    tank hunters

    total 1435

    any critisicm is helpfull and any help on filling in that little point gap there.

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    Well I don't know but if you cut back a bit, like say removing Spiky bits from the champions, maybe removing Furious Charge from the Lord (he doesn't REALLY need it) and maybe a few other little squeezes you might be able to fit in a Predator.. I've heard good things about autocannons but seems you're basically relying on only 4 of them (in one unit) to do all your tank killing. If your Havocs bite it you may be toast if going up against enemies with lots o' armour.
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    Let's see what we can find:


    Ok I haven't made a new list in a LONG time so i think it's about time i give it go....

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    Daemon prince Cyrus - 187
    D.aura
    D.essence
    D.speed
    D.resilence
    D.stature
    Dread axe
    CC weapon
    frag grenades
    MOCU
    spikey bits
    furius charge
    Beefy. I'd drop essense. For the sheers amount of attacks and stuff he has, stuff will either kill him instantly or he'll kill them.

    Elites

    khorn berzerkers x9 plus champ - 252
    chain axes
    frag grenades
    khorne icon
    Aspiring champion
    MOK
    bolt pistol
    axe of khorne
    frag grenades
    talisman of burning blood
    spikey bits
    I'd go with a powerfist on the champ personally. It's cheaper and will more usefull. Axes of Khorne are great - but only really on HQs.

    Nurgle havoks x7 - 214
    MON
    plasma guns x4
    boltersx3
    infiltrate
    cool.


    Troops

    Chaos space marines x7 plus champ - 186
    BP CC weapon x5
    melta gunx2
    MOCU
    icon

    Aspiring champion
    MOCU
    power fist
    bolt pistol
    spikey bits
    good - up these guys to 8 or maybe give them infiltrate to support the nurgle marines.
    replace spikey bits with mutation, on aspiring champions mutation is always superior.

    Chaos space marines x7 plus champ - 168
    boltersx5
    heavy bolter
    plasma gun
    MOCU
    icon

    Aspiring champion
    power weapon
    bolt pistol
    MOCU
    spikey bits
    Same as above.

    blood letters x8 208
    Nice


    Heavy suport

    Chaos havoksx7 - 220
    autocanononx4
    boltersx3
    infiltrate
    tank hunters
    up it to 8 man. I wouldn't be so bothered by infiltrate on these guys as it's realyl putting up the cost quite a bit. Autocannon havocs are absolutely incredibly though. No doubts.

    you'll do well against marines and infantry with this list.
    If the enemy packs a lot of armour though, you may start to sweat. Dreads, you should be ok with for the sheer amount of power fists you have (very good)

    But as it stands, you can't touch a monolith and anything which is AV 14 will be a struggle.
    It would be great to squeeze a couple of obliterators in there.

    Otherwise, I think you should try it out and see what's missing.

    Good luck!
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    I decided to re-do my daemon prince he's the same points and i think better
    Daemon prince Cyrus - 187
    dread axe
    MOK
    feel no pain
    D.stature
    D.speed
    D.resilence
    D.aura
    frag nades
    CC weapon
    furios charge
    spikey bits

    Now onto what you said....

    I'lll change the axe of khorne to a powerfist on the zerker champ and make them a troops choice cause i can.

    thanks on the nurgle havoks i always wanted to try that out i was thinkin about switching those plasmas out for melta's any comments on that?

    And squads of CSM are 8,7 reg marines and one champ so 8 unless you mean 8 reg marines and a champ?

    How does having mutation bebter that spikey bits one reason i do that is cause sometimes if i go up against daemon hunters i think they have some special rule that any models with gifts can't hurt them or something like that.

    I LOVE infiltrating autocannon havocs and they love me to i've been meaning to get another marine to stick in the squad but i only have that many left so for now it has work.
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    >>How does having mutation bebter that spikey bits one reason i do that is cause sometimes if i go up against daemon hunters i think they have some special rule that any models with gifts can't hurt them or something like that.

    The Demonhunter rule means if you have 50 points of demonic gifts the model counts as a demon for a few of his wargear items such as Grimoir of true names. I dont think its a problem for your aspiring champions.

    Regarding your spare 65 points, try and save a few from somewhere and get an obliterator. His extra las cannon will help your anti tank somewhat.

    4 tank hunting autocannon havocs are good enough except when against AV14 so I usially take 2 missile launchers and 2 autocannon in the squad.

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    i never really have to worry about AV 14 only one person here has a land raider and he barely ever uses it and only one other person has a monolith and he doesn't use his necrons much.

    I'll drop spikey bits on the bolter marines AC and then get 1 oblit.


    I'll post the redone list later any other sugestions though?
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    Spikey bitz means your current attacks are more accurate.

    Mutation gives you an extra attack.

    As you can see.. they're similar, although one can be much better
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    I didn't read the previous posts, so sorry if this is already suggested.

    for those last 15 pts, give daemonic strength to 3 aspiring champs,
    spikey bits to one, and one D.strength,
    or mutation/d.strength.

    I'd chose option A since it means redundancy but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theyak View Post
    I didn't read the previous posts, so sorry if this is already suggested.

    for those last 15 pts, give daemonic strength to 3 aspiring champs,
    spikey bits to one, and one D.strength,
    or mutation/d.strength.

    I'd chose option A since it means redundancy but that's just me.


    what's the point of giving D.strength to an aspiring champ with a powerfist?

    it seems kinda redundant to me unless you want to go tank hunting with powerfists wich i might add is fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaosgod View Post
    what's the point of giving D.strength to an aspiring champ with a powerfist?

    it seems kinda redundant to me unless you want to go tank hunting with powerfists wich i might add is fun.
    I kind of agree - it's great when coupled with furious charge

    but, it's only really usefull against Wraithlords, C'tan or bonded exoskeleton Carnifexes and vehicles.
    Still.. it's really cheap on asp champs, but maybe workd better with power weapons.

    *shrugs*

    If ever you have that many points free and you have obliterators in your list, I'd really recommed teleport homers. The guaranteed shock aspect of obliterators is brilliant.
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