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    2000 point Black Legion

    This army is for a 2000 point game in which we have custom special characters. The Daemon Prince is house-ruled legal, everything else is standard.

    This configuration is for a near-future game against a Blood Angels derived chapter (Same rules as Blood Angels)

    Any helpful feedback would be most appreciated.

    HQs
    Daemon Prince
    Terminator Armor
    Sorcerer
    -Gift of Chaos
    Warp Focus (On Power Weapon)
    Mark of Chaos Undivided
    Furious Charge
    Master-crafted Bolt Pistol
    Inferno Bolts for Bolt Pistol
    Feel No Pain
    Combat Drugs
    Dark Blade
    Daemonic Essence
    Daemonic Mutation
    Daemonic Resilience
    Daemonic Strength

    Retinue
    5 Chosen Terminator Champions
    Mark of Chaos Undivided
    Furious Charge
    Master Crafted Combi-Bolter
    Master Crafted Lightning Claw
    Daemonic Resilience
    Daemonic Strength
    Daemonic Mutation

    Bloodthirster of Khorne

    Troops

    2 Chaos Space Marine Squads
    Each squad with 9 marines, and 1 Champion
    2 plasma guns/squad
    Furious Charge
    Infiltrate
    Aspiring Champions
    Daemonic Strength
    Daemonic Mutation


    Heavy Support

    Chaos Defiler
    Configured for Indirect Fire
    Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters replacing heavy flamer
    Coruscating Flames (Dedicated to Tzeentch)
    Parasitic Possession

    Fast Attack

    Chaos Raptors: 5 man squad
    3 Meltaguns
    Infiltrate
    Aspiring Champion
    Is the Daemonvessel
    Power Weapon
    Daemon Chains
    _________________________________________
    _________________________________________

    This brings me to 1922 points, unless I am very mistaken (Entirely possible, still a newb.)



    Last edited by Icewolf; January 11th, 2007 at 04:47. Reason: Changing List

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icewolf View Post
    This army is for a 2000 point game in which we have custom special characters. The Daemon Prince is house-ruled legal, everything else is standard.

    This configuration is for a near-future game against a Blood Angels derived chapter (Same rules as Blood Angels)

    Any helpful feedback would be most appreciated.

    HQs
    Daemon Prince
    Terminator Armor
    Sorcerer
    -Gift of Chaos
    Warp Focus (On Power Weapon)
    Mark of Chaos Undivided
    Furious Charge
    Master-crafted Bolt Pistol
    Inferno Bolts for Bolt Pistol
    Feel No Pain
    Combat Drugs
    Dark Blade
    Daemonic Essence
    Daemonic Mutation
    Daemonic Resilience
    Daemonic Strength



    Ok. Your Lord here has Feel no Pain which is a Khorne only gift, he also has Inferno bolts which is a Tzeentch only gift. If you want him to be undivided you have to get rid of both of these.

    Retinue
    5 Chosen Terminator Champions
    Mark of Chaos Undivided
    Furious Charge
    Master Crafted Combi-Bolter
    Master Crafted Lightning Claw
    Daemonic Resilience
    Daemonic Strength
    Daemonic Essence
    Daemonic Mutation

    Ouch. This is probably one of the most expensive chosen units (apart from the Tzeentch Bolt of death retinue), I've ever seen. Essence cant be taken by aspiring champions. Its independant characters only. This unit is waaaayyyy too expensive.

    Bloodthirster of Khorne

    Troops

    2 Chaos Space Marine Squads
    Each squad with 9 marines, and 1 Champion
    2 plasma guns/squad
    Furious Charge
    Infiltrate
    Aspiring Champions
    Daemonic Strength
    Daemonic Mutation


    Heavy Support

    Chaos Defiler
    Configured for Indirect Fire
    Twin-Linked Heavy Bolters replacing heavy flamer
    Coruscating Flames (Dedicated to Tzeentch)
    Parasitic Possession

    Fast Attack

    Chaos Raptors: 5 man squad
    3 Meltaguns
    Infiltrate
    Aspiring Champion
    Is the Daemonvessel
    Daemonic Strength
    Daemonic Mutation
    Daemon Chains
    Great Weapon

    This is a very bad idea. Your raptor champion is very expensive and already has the attack characteristics of the Bloodthirster, drop all the stuff off him except for the chains and a powerweapon.
    _________________________________________
    _________________________________________

    This brings me to 2008 points, unless I am very mistaken (Entirely possible, still a newb.)


    Mate, you have got way to many upgrades on your champions. That terminator squad is illegal and a very bad idea. You have 34 models in a 2000pt army......

    I would suggest going back to the drawing board your army has so much wargear that the models will need a dump truck to carry it all.
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    Okay, I took your advice on the Raptor Champion. I took Essence off the Terminators (Thank you for the rules catch I didn't get, btw.)

    The Daemon Prince, as I said in the post, is OK, he is a custom Special Character using some House rules where I play. He has already been approved and accounted for. The opponent has a similar monstrosity.


    For the Termy Champions, What do you suggest, I don't want to sacrifice reliability.

    By my calculations, I have 78 points remaining for the 2000 pt total.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icewolf View Post
    Okay, I took your advice on the Raptor Champion. I took Essence off the Terminators (Thank you for the rules catch I didn't get, btw.)

    The Daemon Prince, as I said in the post, is OK, he is a custom Special Character using some House rules where I play. He has already been approved and accounted for. The opponent has a similar monstrosity.


    For the Termy Champions, What do you suggest, I don't want to sacrifice reliability.

    By my calculations, I have 78 points remaining for the 2000 pt total.

    Thank you.
    For the points you've put into them you could take 2 squads.

    It would work better.

    I'd definitely give your marine champs a powerfist/weapon.
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    my advise is to not to field the termies. i know they are all cool and shiny with thier 2+ save and all, but you are probably better off with the points spent elsewhere. you have very few troops, which should actually be the bulk of your army. may i suggest instead of the termies get two more squads of marines, that should balance out your army a bit. anyway its up to you.
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    I would second dropping the termies, I think they are really cool, but never worth their points.. ok, sometimes, just very rarely.

    I would highly reccomend obliterators.

    Also, I reccomend NOT making the daemon vessel the raptor champion.
    The raptors need the champ to improve their survivability.
    Furious charge, d.strength power weapon and mutation really will ruin some bloodangel's day.

    More troops is highly reccomended.
    Those termies are too expensive, they can probably be replaced by a pair of marine squads.

    In fact, this doesn't look like a 2k list, perhaps its just the inclusion of so many expensive things... like your daemon prince for example, AND a bloodthirster, that's probably a quarter of your points invested into two models, isn't it... ugh.

    Also, your raptors are really underpowered at 5, they need 8 to survive to do anything.

    My reccomendation for overall army structure for 2000pts

    1 HQ at 10 to 5% of your force in points

    minimum of 4 troops, MINIMUM.

    3 obliterators

    1 Fast attack

    2 heavy support choices.

    Hope this helps.
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