Word Bearer 1500 - Warhammer 40K Fantasy
 

Welcome to Librarium Online!

Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!

Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!


Register Now!

User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 7 of 7
  1. #1
    Member tanfew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Age
    26
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Reputation
    2 (x1)

    Word Bearer 1500

    HQ
    Dark Apostle- lieutenant with MOCU, bolt pistol, crozius and strength- 101

    Elites
    Terminator chosen- 6 terminators with MOCU, tank hunters, 2 reaper autocannons, 2 powerfists, a chainfist and an Aspiring champ.-308

    The ancients- 9 chosen with MOCU, infiltrate, 3 plasma pistols, aspiring champ with powerfist, aspiring champ with power weapon and plasma pistol- 264

    Troops
    Chaos space marine squad 1- 10 CC marines with MOCU, and frag grenades, 2 meltaguns, aspiring champ with a powerfist. Rhino with smoke launchers.- 261

    Chaos space marine squad 2- 9 CC marines with MOCU, frag grenades, 2 meltaguns, aspiring champ with a powerfist. Rhino with smoke launchers- 245

    Heavy Support
    Havoc squad- 10 havocs with MOCU, 4 plasma guns, aspiring champ with a pair of lightning claws and meltabombs. Rhino with smoke launchers.- 311

    total 1500

    This is my first list for awhile, so i don't know how well it will do. The army is a speedy assault force, with the termies either deepstriking or starting on field depending on the opponent. The choson are for annoyance factor, for infiltrating into the enemy and disrupting their plans, or to take a table quarter early and hold it. The havocs are just plain cool :shifty:

    I assume Morgan Freeman is the voice of the Emperor.
    My Painting Log! http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...nes-horde.html

  2. Remove Advertisements
    Librarium-Online.com
    Advertisements
     

  3. #2
    LO Zealot Ironangel256's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Milwaukee WI
    Age
    31
    Posts
    1,883
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    ReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputation
    291 (x6)

    HQ
    Dark Apostle- lieutenant with MOCU, bolt pistol, crozius and strength- 101
    As this guy stands he is not all that great at anything. It looks like you were trying to keep his points low on purpose so he is ok but I would recommend adding resilience if you have the points.

    Elites
    Terminator chosen- 6 terminators with MOCU, tank hunters, 2 reaper autocannons, 2 powerfists, a chainfist and an Aspiring champ.-308
    Generally these are ok though I would try to keep them cheap by dropping tank hunters and get rid of the champ unless you are planning on giving him anything extra.

    The ancients- 9 chosen with MOCU, infiltrate, 3 plasma pistols, aspiring champ with powerfist, aspiring champ with power weapon and plasma pistol- 264
    Chosen are generally not worth the extra couple of points you pay for them over normal marines. I recommend changing these to the normal marines, keep infiltrate, give them 2x plasma, and either give the AC a PF or a PW + D. Str.

    Troops
    Chaos space marine squad 1- 10 CC marines with MOCU, and frag grenades, 2 meltaguns, aspiring champ with a powerfist. Rhino with smoke launchers.- 261

    Chaos space marine squad 2- 9 CC marines with MOCU, frag grenades, 2 meltaguns, aspiring champ with a powerfist. Rhino with smoke launchers- 245
    If you can find the points then try to get the rhinos extra armor, otherwise good.

    Heavy Support
    Havoc squad- 10 havocs with MOCU, 4 plasma guns, aspiring champ with a pair of lightning claws and meltabombs. Rhino with smoke launchers.- 311
    I am really not a fan of this squad, they are havocs yet you have the AC kitted for CC. Were I you I would go for the standard 8 man havoc squad with 4 autocannons and tank hunters. If you like, keep the rhino for flexibility, you can either use it as a transport for them or just park it somewhere to obstruct LoS.

    If you make the above changes I think the list will do great!
    IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!

    I survived LO Chat thanks to: Karmoon, Rabbit, Process, Tossy and Meish.

  4. #3
    Aesthete honorableSimon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Massachusetts, USA
    Age
    28
    Posts
    541
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    ReputationReputationReputation
    69 (x2)

    You have a very interesting list, to say the least. As such (especially if this is for friendly play) I would encourage you to take most of the criticism we can offer as ideas for alternatives, since I know I have never used a list exactly like this, so if it works for you then it should be good to go. Just my two cents.

    Iron Angel has hit all the important points, so I'm just going to go off of his comments

    Headquarters
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironangel256 View Post
    As this guy stands he is not all that great at anything. It looks like you were trying to keep his points low on purpose so he is ok but I would recommend adding resilience if you have the points.
    I agree. This guy is small but strangely effective with his 4+ invulnerable and S5 PW attacks. If you find the points for Resilience I would strongly advise taking it, but if not I think keeping this guy cheap is a very interesting way to go (this I would place as priority #3 if you make cuts).

    Terminators
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironangel256 View Post
    Generally these are ok though I would try to keep them cheap by dropping tank hunters and get rid of the champ unless you are planning on giving him anything extra.
    I think you should keep Tank Hunters, as you choose not to have the trademark TH AC Havocs. And as for some strat from personal experience I would say don't Deep Strike them as they can move and shoot and they deploy after the better portion of your force and notably they deploy after all of the enemies HS so you have a tactical advantage there.

    Chosen
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironangel256 View Post
    Chosen are generally not worth the extra couple of points you pay for them over normal marines. I recommend changing these to the normal marines, keep infiltrate, give them 2x plasma, and either give the AC a PF or a PW + D. Str.
    I've found that as long as you take advantage of the bonuses of taking Chosen they can work if you field them correctly, and it seems like you have a pretty optimal setup, I would just swap the Plasma Pistols for Meltaguns because if you overheat you're losing 3 points more than overheating on a regular squad. I also think Meltaguns are just better, but that's only my opinion, and our lengthy Plasma Pistols vs. Meltaguns thread a while proves there are definitely reason to take Plasma Pistols in general I just think you should opt for caution on a more expensive squad. Also, for very few points I would take Strength on the PW Champion (this I would place as priority #1 if you make cuts)

    Troops
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironangel256 View Post
    If you can find the points then try to get the rhinos extra armor, otherwise good.
    Yes. Priority #2 in my opinion, otherwise I have nothing more than what Iron Angel already said.

    Havocs
    Quote Originally Posted by Ironangel256 View Post
    I am really not a fan of this squad, they are havocs yet you have the AC kitted for CC. Were I you I would go for the standard 8 man havoc squad with 4 autocannons and tank hunters. If you like, keep the rhino for flexibility, you can either use it as a transport for them or just park it somewhere to obstruct LoS.
    So this and the Terminators are easily the controversy of your army. I think you should try this setup with only a few minor changes - I don't see what the Terminator Champion does, and here I think Lightning Claws are essentialy worthless. If you do the maths, which I am sad to say I have (some time ago, I can reproduce it if you want but I'm sort of hoping you'll just take my word for it) and Strength with a Power Weapon is only a tiny bit worse than Lightning Claws, for 10 points less. I would also drop the meltabombs, as of all the squads to get into CC with a tank this seems like one of the least likely ones.

    Those changes would be enough points for Strength on the Chosen and all three Extra Armors with a few poits leftover, but as always feel free to only take portions of my advise. Hope we helped cheers
    Last edited by honorableSimon; June 7th, 2007 at 18:28. Reason: missing end quote tag
    Back from the dead to haunt new houses.
    Send me a hello if you remember me.

  5. #4
    Member tanfew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Age
    26
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Reputation
    2 (x1)

    The reasons for not including the points you both listed is because of WYSIWYG, and i don't have extra armor (or a way to represent it) on my tanks or spare. The havocs i was thinking of dropping the AC and extra marine, but i included him for a counter charge so i can reply in CC.

    The reason for the melta bombs was for a modular theme for the army, so all sqauds can technically do anything (Just some more than others rely on luck :shifty: ). I see this was a badder idea than specialists, so i can drop the extra man and the AC to make it a pure MEQ hunters.

    The termies i will leave like they were, just bulking up the AC, possibly with lightning claws and Str. The chainfist i will drop, as i have a spare normal powerfist floating around somewhere and can use it.

    The reason for including the Choson with so may plasma pistols is because i had extra points available at the end so just chucked them in there. The Ancients are based on the chaos warriors (the recent ones) and it was rather impractical to include the meltaguns. Also i didn't have any left when making the choson (see my army and you'll know why!)

    The Lieu. i can't actually give him resilience unless i pump him up to a lord. This is because the crozius and str take up all the allowed daemonic gifts point allocation (can't actually say but you know what i mean) for a lieu. I was trying to keep him cheaper, but if you don;'t like him i have another lieu. i can use.

    Chaos Sorceror- lieutenant with MOCU, bolt pistol, sorceror, Wind of chaos/mass mutation, power weapon.

    Strangely, they both cost the same...
    Thank for any help!
    I assume Morgan Freeman is the voice of the Emperor.
    My Painting Log! http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...nes-horde.html

  6. #5
    LO Zealot Ironangel256's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Milwaukee WI
    Age
    31
    Posts
    1,883
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    ReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputation
    291 (x6)

    All I do for the extra armor is take those extra little plates with the holes and faces in them off the accesory sprue and glue them on / paint them. If your opponent gives you trouble just ask them if rhinos normally have those on them. that should settle it.

    Well as far as which HQ to use I would probably stick with what you have as the sorceror has no invul save to help him against fists and the like.

    Also I would just transfer the Lightning claws from the havoc AC to the termi AC.
    IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!

    I survived LO Chat thanks to: Karmoon, Rabbit, Process, Tossy and Meish.

  7. #6
    Member tanfew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Age
    26
    Posts
    179
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Reputation
    2 (x1)

    Second list

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironangel256 View Post
    All I do for the extra armor is take those extra little plates with the holes and faces in them off the accesory sprue and glue them on / paint them. If your opponent gives you trouble just ask them if rhinos normally have those on them. that should settle it.

    Well as far as which HQ to use I would probably stick with what you have as the sorceror has no invul save to help him against fists and the like.

    Also I would just transfer the Lightning claws from the havoc AC to the termi AC.
    Thanks for that, ive actually already put the claws on. Great minds think alike lol. The extra armor idea is simplistic genius, im surprised i haven't thought of it earlier. Heres my second list, ive added some fluff to my army so its a bit more characterful now.

    HQ- Dark Apostle Kharleth (attached to squad damnatus) - Lieutenant with MOCU, crozius, bolt pistol, spiky bits and strength- 116

    Elites-The ancients- 9 chaos choson with MOCU & infiltrate, 3 plasma pistols, aspiring champ with power fist, aspiring champ with power weapon, plasma pistol and strength.- 284

    Terminator squad Obilteratus- 6 chaos terminator choson with MOCU and tank hunters, 3 powerfists and an aspiring champ with a pair of lightning claws and strength.- 345

    Troops- Chaos space marine squad Damnatus- 9 chaos space marines with MOCU, frag grenades, 2 meltaguns and an aspiring champ with a powerfist. Rhino with extra armor and smoke launchers- 250

    chaos space marine squad purgatus- 10 chaos marines with MOCU, frag grenades, 2 meltaguns, aspiring champ with a powerfist. Rhino with smoke launchers and extra armor- 266

    Heavy Support- Havoc Squad Doomnatus- 8 havos with MOCU, 4 plasma guns. Rhino with extra armor and smoke launchers.- 238

    Total-1499

    All input welcome.

    Edit: the increase for spiky bits is wrong, it should also be bionics in there for HQ
    Last edited by tanfew; June 10th, 2007 at 15:16.
    I assume Morgan Freeman is the voice of the Emperor.
    My Painting Log! http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...nes-horde.html

  8. #7
    LO Zealot Ironangel256's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Milwaukee WI
    Age
    31
    Posts
    1,883
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    ReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputationReputation
    291 (x6)

    looks good to me!
    IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!

    I survived LO Chat thanks to: Karmoon, Rabbit, Process, Tossy and Meish.

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts