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pangloss · November 6th, 2009, 22:32

Hi - i regularly play against a Guard player who fields a lot of tanks. What would be best to take down his HS - 2 defilers or 4 oblits (2 squads) deep-strike in front of them. I also use a predator

omgitsduane · November 7th, 2009, 00:47

I would normally say a defiler, as I have enough meltas I think to deal damage to most any tanks but an army that is so high in tanks like IG is overwhelming. I'd go with obliterators and aim to strike close for the best multi melta shot you can!

Dreachon · November 7th, 2009, 09:30

I agree with that, the obliterators will also survive longer against the guards as they can make better use of cover.
That said I would suggest in trying to get them behind his tanks were they can do even more damage, also don't forget to assault with the obliterators should a tank be in range, they also carry powerfists.

pangloss · November 7th, 2009, 09:45

yeah, the more i think about it the more use i think they would be. The defilers look cool but get blown up by the end of turn 1 (turn 2 if im lucky) and dont do much after that lol. As its Guard i tend to have flamers on my troops to do maximum damage, so if i could get at the tanks up close and at a distance that would be a great advantage

The Prince of Excess · November 7th, 2009, 11:49

2 Defilers UNLESS you play an aggressive Mech army with Icons. Defilers aren't amazing against armor unless they assault but DS Meltas that don't scatter are big. Depends on the points/list but Defilers usually, especially if you're packing Meltas already.

eldratch the fallen · November 7th, 2009, 16:16

im going with obliterators. do well in nearly any situation
HOWEVER
do you have many rhinos and other vehicles? if so the definitly the defiler simply because it is a HUGE fire magnet plus against gaurd battlecannons are way killy!!!

also have you considered havocs? not as versatile but sheaper and can have far more firepower.

TLDR:havocs>obliterators>defiler>predator>?

pangloss · November 7th, 2009, 17:50

yes, 3 rhinos and a pred. i agree that the defiler draws fire, but it doesnt really do much else after soacking up all the fire in the first round

pangloss · November 7th, 2009, 18:05

maybe the best thing for my HS would be to go for:
* pred
* defiler
* 3 oblits

(rather than pred, 2 defilers and something else in one of the other choices)?

hotspike18 · November 7th, 2009, 23:12

Against IG sporting lots of tanks (in other words all of them) then I'd recommend Deep Striking teams of Obliterators behind the tank line. If they are operating as a unit, remember that shooting one of them shoots all of them - which means the hits get spread around and your extra "dud" hits aren't wasted. If you can, try to hit all the tanks at one time, that way they can't about face and destroy a lone unit of expensive Obliterators.

pangloss · November 8th, 2009, 10:25

the only issue i would have is that he tends to put his tanks right on the board edge, usually on one side. the best i could do would be to go in front and then try and get around the other side

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pangloss Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 15	4 obliterators or 2 defilers? <a onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outgoing/http_d1_openx_org_ck_php_n_a83f474f_amp_cb_46587945173');" rel='nofollow' href='http://d1.openx.org/ck.php?n=a83f474f&cb=46587945173' target='_blank'><img src='http://d1.openx.org/avw.php?zoneid=22572&cb=46587945173&n=a83f474f' border='0' alt='' /></a> Hi - i regularly play against a Guard player who fields a lot of tanks. What would be best to take down his HS - 2 defilers or 4 oblits (2 squads) deep-strike in front of them. I also use a predator

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Dreachon Supreme Evil Overlord Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Netherlands Age: 27 Posts: 4,752 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 93	I agree with that, the obliterators will also survive longer against the guards as they can make better use of cover. That said I would suggest in trying to get them behind his tanks were they can do even more damage, also don't forget to assault with the obliterators should a tank be in range, they also carry powerfists. __________________

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The Prince of Excess Savior of Empty Threads Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gilbert, AZ Age: 21 Posts: 2,474 Blog Entries: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 70	2 Defilers UNLESS you play an aggressive Mech army with Icons. Defilers aren't amazing against armor unless they assault but DS Meltas that don't scatter are big. Depends on the points/list but Defilers usually, especially if you're packing Meltas already. __________________ Check my blog for battle reports, army updates and randomness. Click that little thumbs up button if I helped you. So ungrateful. :p

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eldratch the fallen Fallen so far... Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: in your mind, playing with your thoughts. Age: 19 Posts: 233 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 50	im going with obliterators. do well in nearly any situation HOWEVER do you have many rhinos and other vehicles? if so the definitly the defiler simply because it is a HUGE fire magnet plus against gaurd battlecannons are way killy!!! also have you considered havocs? not as versatile but sheaper and can have far more firepower. TLDR:havocs>obliterators>defiler>predator>? __________________ is it just me or is 6 battlewagons in 1000pts overkill??

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November 7th, 2009, 00:47	#2 (permalink)
omgitsduane Murder Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: East Melbourne Age: 23 Posts: 2,863 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 52	I would normally say a defiler, as I have enough meltas I think to deal damage to most any tanks but an army that is so high in tanks like IG is overwhelming. I'd go with obliterators and aim to strike close for the best multi melta shot you can!

November 7th, 2009, 09:45	#4 (permalink)
pangloss Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 15	yeah, the more i think about it the more use i think they would be. The defilers look cool but get blown up by the end of turn 1 (turn 2 if im lucky) and dont do much after that lol. As its Guard i tend to have flamers on my troops to do maximum damage, so if i could get at the tanks up close and at a distance that would be a great advantage

November 7th, 2009, 17:50	#7 (permalink)
pangloss Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 15	yes, 3 rhinos and a pred. i agree that the defiler draws fire, but it doesnt really do much else after soacking up all the fire in the first round

November 7th, 2009, 18:05	#8 (permalink)
pangloss Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 15	maybe the best thing for my HS would be to go for: * pred * defiler * 3 oblits (rather than pred, 2 defilers and something else in one of the other choices)?

November 7th, 2009, 23:12	#9 (permalink)
hotspike18 We're In For Some Chop Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: East Coast, United States Age: 20 Posts: 1,552 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Rep Power: 82	Against IG sporting lots of tanks (in other words all of them) then I'd recommend Deep Striking teams of Obliterators behind the tank line. If they are operating as a unit, remember that shooting one of them shoots all of them - which means the hits get spread around and your extra "dud" hits aren't wasted. If you can, try to hit all the tanks at one time, that way they can't about face and destroy a lone unit of expensive Obliterators.

November 8th, 2009, 10:25	#10 (permalink)
pangloss Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 15	the only issue i would have is that he tends to put his tanks right on the board edge, usually on one side. the best i could do would be to go in front and then try and get around the other side

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