Fluff Masters Clan

[praxis]

A niggling question for you fluff masters; After a new space marine chapter is formed, whats the time period before the chapter can be said to be "operational" or combat ready ? I am building up the background for my diy chapter, and want to make sure it fits in with existing cannon timelines. Thanks in advance.

[kroxigor01]

Well the 26th founding (less then 300 years before the 'now' in the 40k universe) chapters are all 'operational'. So no matter what founding your DIY chapter is from it should be operational (NOTE: I would not advise making your chapter not part of a founding, only the Grey Knights can claim that).

[praxis]

Thanks Kroxigor01. I dont think i was specific enough. I'm planning on mine being one of the 26th founding, 738 M41, but would they be up and running by 745, the first Tyrannic war ? I'm not planning on them saving the day or anything lame like that, its purely to do with training and who was where and when. If my chapter were being "nurtured" by several Ultramarines seconded for that task, would they still be there during the battle for Macragge. I am inclined to think seven years might be enough time to complete their training, even if they have no practical combat experience, or very little anyway.

Thanks for the reply sir. Rep for you.

[Xerxes]

I'd say no, as there are only about 7 or 8 years between the two, and you've got to factor in the newly implanted marines growing through puberty, going through a LOT of combat training, and then traveling to the region in the first place. A safe bet, go for the 24th or 25th foundings, as their dates are (to the best of my knowledge) unspecified.

Xolotl, you won't get anything published using GW's intellectual property outside the Black Library. They've been burned by mistakes around this in the past, and won't allow things to be published unless the author allows them to become GW property. So going to another publishing company is a definite no-no.

[praxis]

Thank you Xerxes, I am going to have to follow your suggestion and be "born" of an earlier founding. Rep in appreciation.

[shas_on_u]

I've got a question on the c'tan for you lot, i've read mechanicum and ive read the necron codex plenty of times and ive got pretty much most things straight but i can't work out the location of the outsider (if its known) and where the deceiver awoke from. The Nightbringer was awoken by Uriel on pavonis and the Void Dragon is in a huge underground tomb on mars surrounded by minions. But the other 2 remaining c'tan i can't find anywhere.

[waddywoos]

hey guys... Two things regarding space marines... one simmilar to a very recent question but kind of needed more info i guess


1: is there a list of forge fathers anywhere? I'm writing fluff for my new chapter who's forge father has just come out of apprenticeship thus explaining lack of advanced armour, vehicles etc). I wanted to name a famous forge father (other than the salamander one - he's busy!) as the guy he was studying under, preferably the dark angels one if his name is known. I may be being an idiot as i have a sneaky suspicion that most chapters don't actually have forge fathers but hopeflly they do.

2. I was thinking about how recent it was possible to make the founding of a chapter, and give them about 2 decades of being operational... I was thinking 80 years ago but i'm not really sure?? I just wanted them to be around and fully trained with slight experience before abaddon had the crusade (remember the eye of terror campaign a while back? that one!). My whole fluff revolves around them being young and despising the 'pompous and self-indulgent' ultramarines stemming from an incident during that campaign where (if i'm not mistaken?!) Calgar was the supreme commander?

[Xerxes]

1: is there a list of forge fathers anywhere? I'm writing fluff for my new chapter who's forge father has just come out of apprenticeship thus explaining lack of advanced armour, vehicles etc). I wanted to name a famous forge father (other than the salamander one - he's busy!)

I'm not sure there is one... where did you get the term "forge father" from? It's not ringing any bells with me, but then again my fluff knowledge is slowly going out of date. I think your sneaking suspicion might be right, although I can't even find reference to forge fathers in the Salamanders Index Astartes, but it does sound like a Salamanders-only thing.

I was thinking about how recent it was possible to make the founding of a chapter, and give them about 2 decades of being operational... I was thinking 80 years ago but i'm not really sure??

I'd make it about 100 or so, so 80 is about right. It takes 50 for the required amount of geneseed to be produced, and then you have the combat training and correcting of possible geneseed mess-ups. But also think about where your chapter's based and how easily it could get to the Eye of Terror, and factor that in.

[kroxigor01]

Forgefathers (no spaces) are indeed Salamanders only. I don't think any of their successor chapters have inherited them either (Forgefathers search for artifacts of Vulkan, not really a vital cause for anyone exept the proud Salamanders).

[waddywoos]

Ah, I see so clearly now where I made my mistake!

The Salamanders are indeed the only chapter with a forgefather (Vulkan He'Stan)
The reason I got confsed was because I read the codex too quickly when i picked it up two days ago and read 'master of the forge' and then thought it was the entry for forgefather, which of course was wrong but made me assume there was a forgefather for every chapter.

thanks for helping me realise where i went wrong What a Noob mistake... quite embarrassing for someone who likes to think they know everythign about anything (which i obviously don't ;-) )

I think I might edit the chapter to be around a century old, seeing as I wanted their first expedition to be to cadia to stand against abaddon when GW had that mega campaign a few years ago...