Order of the White Sword Inner Circle.

[Grandmaster Adek]

I think what was said was that LRs and LRCs can no longer be taken as transports. They can be taken as Heavy Support. But thats only if i read that right. I have a question: does anyone know which Index Astates the Dark ANgels are in?

You're out of luck: Index Astartes I, which is out of print. I was fortunate enough to secure a copy, however, at my local battlebunker, so maybe there's a few more GW wants to get rid of. You can try, but eBay, or something like that might be your only hope.

[Ezekiel1990]

As for Darien, well how in Gods name did he get the 100 rep required to get enhanced. Don't look at me...

Well, he's not the only one on this forum who shares his ideals...

Wait Wait Wait, so you cant load up Termies in a LRC, anymore?? WTF? when did this happen? or maybe im just reading it wrong..anyway someone lemme know..pwease..

Nonononono no... calm down. You CAN load termies in an LRC or LR. You just have to counnt the land raider as a heavy support choice, instead of a transport, which doesn't occupy a space on the FOC.

I have a question: does anyone know which Index Astates the Dark ANgels are in?

I'm pretty sure it's the first one. However, I have never looked at it and can't find it anywhere.

You're out of luck: Index Astartes I, which is out of print. I was fortunate enough to secure a copy, however, at my local battlebunker, so maybe there's a few more GW wants to get rid of. You can try, but eBay, or something like that might be your only hope.

Aw s***. That means I probably won't be able to get my hands on one...

[ForgedInTheFurnaceOfWar]

Ezek, no where in the FAQs does it say that dark angels may only use 3 land raiders.

If pete gets the balls to put that in a FAQ, fine, but untill then, there is no resistriction.

Further more, ive often left like people have misread the ruling in the currect FAQ about the use of Landraider crusaders:

'Dark angel armies may use 0-1 land raider crusaders as a heavy support choice'

As a heavy support choice.

Feel free to take lots as transports:

Now, given that the current rules allow you to take 3 landraiders + the number of termintor squads you have, for a maxium of 14 landraiders, should you some how to fielding more terminators then the first company of the dark angles actually have, although thats beside the point.

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About Darien: Do any of you know who bill o'reily is?

Well he’s some conservative whack job, who hasn’t been right about anything in the last 12 years.

Anyway, in one of darian and my scuffles, which we took up in a PM match, i explained to darian how, well bill is a completely incompetent journalist and a hypocrite.

He kept denying it and changing the subject, until I finally found a bill's sex book, in which he reads allowed graphic sex scene, and sent darien a link. Man I woulda paid money to see the look on his face, once his hero was crushed.

The day after I sent that PM, he removed that stupid sig of his. And never Pmed me again. Haha.

About Religion.

Religion is nothing more then a means of controlling the masses. As populations in the world grew, information needed a means of which to travel to whole of a society. This was achieved through religion. Also, a set system of morals was needed, in order to judge individuals in the society, in order to discover their merit, or lack of, this also was made possible through religion. As the populations continued to rise, religion was used to create order, and relative peace, through a fear based system, do as you’re told and you shall live forever happy, rebel, and forever suffer.

In early religions, such as Judaism religion took on a roll education: The kosher life style, which essentially preached eating only foods which are safe for humans to eat. Example: Pork was often infected with disease, without refrigeration and other factors, its not safe to eat, as such the religion banned its eating. This is the bright side of religion, education of its people so that they might survive and lead a bitter life.

However, religion has always been intertwined with money. In the last 100 years, there are only been two reasons for war, money, and religion. The latter is often to mask the first. Nonetheless, religion cannot escape blame for causing the deaths of uncountable millions of human beings.

Religions primary function, is no longer education, as its goals have already been met in that area. Religion now services but one purpose, control. Religion is one of most powerful tools to control people with, anyone who will following you on blind ambition, will die for you. They will pay you, they will do anything for you, and this is what religion wants.

The religions follow this path blindly, although it is not there fault, for they have been taught to ignore what their eyes see, and the mind thinks, and only believe was taught to them, by the elders in the religion.

The main useful function of religion has been fulfilled by government: education, and laws ( a set system of morality) Religion has lost its basic roll in society, and it is probably time that humanity see through it.

Religions primary roll today, it to keep the powerful, powerful, and to keep those less than, just that. That is its main function in society in America.

In the middle east, religion is not separate from government, and thus, is still a main factor in education in society, but more so, for keeping those in power, where they are.
If the people of the middle east had fought for human rights, and economic devilment, 50 years ago, today they would be one of the worlds dominate powers. Instead, those who where already rich, the royal elite in the society, kept there people down, and squander the greatest natural resource in human history.

I feel it is clear that religion has played it course, and should step down.

Spirituality, does not come from without, but from within. Anyone true in their faith, needs not impose it upon those around them, nor the support of any other followers.

Spirituality is not religion. Religion is a system of fear based control, that has nothing to do with god, or a high plane of existence.

This is not to say the message of Jesus was not of divine intentions, for he was probably one of the greatest men to ever live. His teachings are wonderful:

Love thy neighbor as they self: If you treat others the way you want to be treated, you will in return be treated that way.

Turn the other cheek: if someone wrongs you, your better off letting it go, then letting it consume you.

Beautiful theories, and in his name lay uncountable dead, and in the name of Muhammad and Abraham, lay millions more. And in the name of the lord, 3000 died in 9/11, and in the name of the lord, over 100,000 Iraqis paid there lives (these are estimates, however they are old and probably higher now), along with another 2500 American soldiers.

There is but one conclusion, either the blood of masses rests on gods hands, or there is no god as we perceive him to be.

Such is my view of religion.

[Grand Master Belial]

Aside from that, he's been abusively showing support of right-wing christian ideas in a very narrow-minded and aggressive way. Then he went nuts in a thread about world military, and he was basically just saying "America is da best, you guys suck" although not word for word. Then he started to flame and insult the other members and said some things that everyone knew weren't true, then he went on insulting wikipedia, and basically just bragged about america's military. Well, it's ok to be proud of your military, but to say some of the things he was saying with it is absurd.

This is the kind of person that gives a right-winger a very bad rep. And here I thought that the right-wingers were under the impression of the old Vulcan proverb, 'the needs of many outweigh the needs of few'. I still do but, now I see that there are some kooky fanatics in that wing too! (

About Darien: Do any of you know who bill o'reily is?

Well he’s some conservative whack job, who hasn’t been right about anything in the last 12 years.

Bill is a Moderate in the truest sense of the word, not a Conservative. His views are on both sides of the fence and that's how he pisses off both wings and appears to be a hypocrite. I also don't care for his show. So I don't watch it. I'll wait for Hannity and Colmes.

About Religion.

Religion is nothing more then a means of controlling the masses. As populations in the world grew, information needed a means of which to travel to whole of a society. This was achieved through religion. Also, a set system of morals was needed, in order to judge individuals in the society, in order to discover their merit, or lack of, this also was made possible through religion. As the populations continued to rise, religion was used to create order, and relative peace, through a fear based system, do as you’re told and you shall live forever happy, rebel, and forever suffer.

I always thought that religion was a way to deal with the unknowns.

Spirituality, does not come from without, but from within. Anyone true in their faith, needs not impose it upon those around them, nor the support of any other followers.

Spirituality is not religion. Religion is a system of fear based control, that has nothing to do with god, or a high plane of existence.

This is not to say the message of Jesus was not of divine intentions, for he was probably one of the greatest men to ever live. His teachings are wonderful:

Love thy neighbor as they self: If you treat others the way you want to be treated, you will in return be treated that way.

Turn the other cheek: if someone wrongs you, your better off letting it go, then letting it consume you.

There is another "religion" out there that is really big in Brazil. It's called Spritism. It is a very interesting one in that it is not a formalized religion. You study it at your own pace and they don't try to convert as they believe when you are ready, you will show up. A lot of answers and they try to work towards the example set down by Jesus as you mentioned above.

... over 100,000 Iraqis paid there lives (these are estimates, however they are old and probably higher now), along with another 2500 American soldiers.

I have to call you to task on this one. The American Soldiers died for the freedom of others not in the name of God. Argue if it is a just cause to go to war or not, but please don't lump them and the rest of the Coalition's casualties in as 'modern day Christian Crusaders off to enlighten the ignorant masses of Islam to the powers of the Almighty Christian God'. They are not that and have tread very softly that the indigenous religions of the area are preserved.

As to the 100,000 Iraqi's, where are these numbers coming from? The Coalition forces have not not killed 100,000 people since the war started in 2003. When Saddam gassed the Kurd's in '91, that also wasn't in the name of Allah. I believe they were murdered for trying to rise against Saddam to throw him out of power. I have no idea what the peopl e in the mass graves in Iraq did to get themselves killed.

Sorry, this isn't DA-related and can be considered :diespam:. I am not enhanced, so I can't visit those boards. I am political (and a conservative), but I try to be civil when I get into political discussion/arguments (Not like the politicians).

[Grandmaster Adek]

Aw s***. That means I probably won't be able to get my hands on one...

It's really probably nothing more than in the Codex (which I... don't... have... yet)
It's at least nothing more that what I've learned here and on Wikipedia. I've learned more there than from Index Astartes! I was going through it and thinking: I know all this, tell me new stuff! However, I understand if you're a DA paraphernalia collector. I am a fluff collector, so I was pretty lucky! As my sig says, I subsist on fluff! Breakfast, lunch and dinner...

[Silver Wings]

I have Index Astartes I, All it has is the WD fluff/background article as you would expect.
So things like Homeworld, battlecry, combat doctrine etc.

It is however the first chapter reviewed in the first IA book, something to be proud of.

Oh and it has a tiny bit of rules, namely "use Codex Dark Angels with Plasma Cannon allowed in squads. I presume therefore IA I came out before DA second edition(of 4th edition).

I freely admit to being a right winger. I am not a madman. I do economics and it makes sense to be right. In fact the better we are at being right, the better for all. More GDP more wealth for all.

[Ezekiel1990]

This is the kind of person that gives a right-winger a very bad rep. And here I thought that the right-wingers were under the impression of the old Vulcan proverb, 'the needs of many outweigh the needs of few'. I still do but, now I see that there are some kooky fanatics in that wing too! (

Well, I've seen how rich people benefit form the Bush Administration's "tax cuts" a lot more than poor people, and there are a lot more poor people than rich, so we'll have to disagree on the parties' intentions there...

However, I have to say that neither political party is "good". Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that almost all politicians are like this and that includes both republicans and democrats. If I had my way, everyone would be forced to work, there would be no violence and everything would be free (of course, you don't get anything if you don't work). There would be no political parties in control, and military wouldn't be a priority. Unfortunately, people ahve tried this and the barbaric nature of humands has prevented it from working.

I always thought that religion was a way to deal with the unknowns.

That's basically what it started as, just a way to try to understand the unknowns, but now, it's become a lot more agressive and less about understanding and more about making people understand.

I have to call you to task on this one. The American Soldiers died for the freedom of others not in the name of God. Argue if it is a just cause to go to war or not, but please don't lump them and the rest of the Coalition's casualties in as 'modern day Christian Crusaders off to enlighten the ignorant masses of Islam to the powers of the Almighty Christian God'. They are not that and have tread very softly that the indigenous religions of the area are preserved.

Ok rightaway I can tell that this arguement isn't going anywhere beneficial. I'd suggest that right now we stop talking about politics and patriotism in this thread. And we should also stop talking about Darien. He's gone, that's all there is to it.

BACK TO DARK ANGELS

Well, my mom emailed me and said she got the bits for my new deathwing commmander (marneus calgar torso and legs, thunderhammer, SoS, different head), so maybe tonight I'll put it together and show you guys a pic. But I have to say he will look extremely kick-ass.

EDIT: I have realised how underrated a master of the ravenwing on bike is. For a measily 147 pts, you get a 12" moving character with 6 S6 attacks on the charge. And he has 3 wounds. Throw on a lion helm and you've got yourself a really good bike unit, that can shoot everything and not worry much about being shot.

[Alt+F4]

Wow.... That was a rather long 2 1/2 page discusion of politics, religion, and Darien(The entire discussion was.... confusing to say the least). I think the Master of the ravenwing on a bike with the lion helm could be really interesting. Maybe mount a watcher in the dark riding behind the Master or even on his own mini-bike. Another thing to do could be make the master wear the helm because the watcher could not keep up with the bike. Just a thought.

[Ezekiel1990]

Ok guys I finished the master of the deathwing I was talking about. Please divert your attention to this thread and check it out.

http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...083#post596083

As usual, he looks better in person, but I plan on making him look sweet when I finish painting him.

[Manu_Forti]

I couldnt agree more that religion should step down. but it will never happen.
The thing that i hate about it more than anything is how many pedophile's there are within the christian/catholic society.. IMO, that is WORSE than muslim terrorism..

You want my overall opinion on all that politics/religion etc.?.. quite simply.. the world is f*cked.. and people are the problem.. that is why i have no problem with blowing all my money on stuff like warhammer, i.e I'm not saving up for a future that doesnt exist..
Enjoy the the world while its still half ok.. spend your money while you have it. travel, see the animals before they r all extinct.. etc etc.. sorry if i got a little 'appocolyspe' there, but its only the harsh turth of things..

peace.