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max_volumenz · October 24th, 2003, 12:21

What would people here take for an all GK army:

Land Raider Vs. Land Raider Crusader ??

i prefer Crusader due to higher firepower and it can still kill tanks (most likely in 24" range alot and so S8 instead of 9 and 2D6 at 12")

And also when would u take one, 1500 point or 2000 point minimum??

The_NightbringerX · October 27th, 2003, 03:45

Probobly the normal Land raider its got great range and can still do a large amount of damage to infantry, The crusader is designed to rape infantry, not to be an Anti tank weapon like its cousin is

You should take one if you want to at around 2000 points

Inquisitor Lord Saber · October 27th, 2003, 21:57

Normal land raider is better cause when youre daemonhunters, you lack anti-tank. LR reg. is one of the best ways of getting rid of the big guys so your GK can get through.

Blood God · October 27th, 2003, 22:42

Crusader man, i play BT and I love my crusader. gets me outa jammes hardcore.

max_volumenz · October 28th, 2003, 05:45

i want a crusader as my army is assulting and it rocks but i can not sure as i only have a dread (with las) and Hammerhand/meltabombs to take on tanks

sithjack · October 29th, 2003, 00:26

the crusader even though they should chuck the extraarmor cause of dues ex machanica

max_volumenz · November 1st, 2003, 02:35

extar armour is worth it i reackon, as being able to direct the movement is better than going straight forward and can also tank shock better if u control it

Canderous Ordo · November 2nd, 2003, 11:18

I have 3 points to make
1. blood god you do not want to get jamies hardcore
2. i have a crusader
3. the crusader does not rape infantry

max_volumenz · November 3rd, 2003, 04:06

was that any help??? (just last post)

Mr Shadow · November 3rd, 2003, 11:30

This is an interesting point.....a little before its time but anyway! The psycannon bolt upgrade is only used for secondry weapon systems......pintle mounted bolters/storm bolters. In the up comming new edition of the game (I have picked this info up on the grape vine) sponson mounted guns will count as secondry weapons. This means that in the new edition the crusaders hurricane bolters can be upgraded to strength 4 AP 4 with no invulnerable saves allowed.
Just thought I would throw that in there.

In terms of the last but one statement.........IG, Eldar, Orks, Lost+Damed, Tau and Nids all fall flat agains the guns of the crusader. Only Necrons, Marines and Sisters have a chanse.

In a DH force you should only ever take one of them as there use is limited in an army that has plenty of troop killing potential. Dispite its good aspects the lack of big tank killing stuff is a problem for the DH.

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Mr Shadow Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wales Age: 26 Posts: 372 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 77	This is an interesting point.....a little before its time but anyway! The psycannon bolt upgrade is only used for secondry weapon systems......pintle mounted bolters/storm bolters. In the up comming new edition of the game (I have picked this info up on the grape vine) sponson mounted guns will count as secondry weapons. This means that in the new edition the crusaders hurricane bolters can be upgraded to strength 4 AP 4 with no invulnerable saves allowed. Just thought I would throw that in there. In terms of the last but one statement.........IG, Eldar, Orks, Lost+Damed, Tau and Nids all fall flat agains the guns of the crusader. Only Necrons, Marines and Sisters have a chanse. In a DH force you should only ever take one of them as there use is limited in an army that has plenty of troop killing potential. Dispite its good aspects the lack of big tank killing stuff is a problem for the DH. __________________ A Rhino? SLOTH!

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October 27th, 2003, 03:45	#2 (permalink)
The_NightbringerX Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 70 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 74	Probobly the normal Land raider its got great range and can still do a large amount of damage to infantry, The crusader is designed to rape infantry, not to be an Anti tank weapon like its cousin is You should take one if you want to at around 2000 points

October 27th, 2003, 21:57	#3 (permalink)
Inquisitor Lord Saber Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 117 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 75	Normal land raider is better cause when youre daemonhunters, you lack anti-tank. LR reg. is one of the best ways of getting rid of the big guys so your GK can get through.

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Blood God LO Zealot Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 78	Crusader man, i play BT and I love my crusader. gets me outa jammes hardcore.

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max_volumenz Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 198 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 75	i want a crusader as my army is assulting and it rocks but i can not sure as i only have a dread (with las) and Hammerhand/meltabombs to take on tanks

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max_volumenz Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 198 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 75	extar armour is worth it i reackon, as being able to direct the movement is better than going straight forward and can also tank shock better if u control it

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Canderous Ordo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: scotland Posts: 419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 74	I have 3 points to make 1. blood god you do not want to get jamies hardcore 2. i have a crusader 3. the crusader does not rape infantry

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max_volumenz Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 198 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 75	was that any help??? (just last post)