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I played a quick pick up game yesterday against my friend (a mere 1000 points) with my daemons against his Dark Elves. First turn went incredibly well with my bloodletters, joined by herald on jugger, ran down some of his riders and elimanted them as they fled. Going into the second turn, I got to witness my plaguebearers get decimated by his Cold One Knights. I know I'm still pretty green at playing, but is there anything I can do to stop those guys? If I could have done something effective against them, I'm sure I could have beat him pretty well.
I know it's a general question, but any tips?
COKs are nasty, but they are still only T3. Flamers should cause them no end of problems. Bloodletters/Flesh Hounds will be wounding them on a 2+ and knock their saves down by 2 (a 4+ save is not all that comfortable). Even a good flickering fire can see them off. If you can survive the initial charge you can take them down, S4 isn't all that hot and even PBs can kill a few off.
Out of curiosity, how were your Plaguebearers set up? A Herald and plenty of ranks is a must for such a unit, allowing them to shrug off the most devastating charges and hold the enemy in place (even knock off a few with poison) while other units move to flank and kill.
Thanks for the feedback
This was the one game where I didn't take my flamers. I was running my PB's 5 across in three ranks, but I didn't have a herald since I didn't want to be too zealous with only 1000 pts. I think for tonight's game, I may put in that herald with that unit and bring the flamers.
PBs really need Heralds to be useful, Regen goes a long way. 15 PBs with a command and a Herald with Vapors and Slime Trail only runs at 360 points, leaving you plenty for the rest of the army. Going last in conjunction with the Herald's high S and lots of poison can severely limit the effectivness of COKs.
==Me=='s advice is awesome! I think that what you need to look out for in an army like dark elves is first a hydra, then COK's so...these two are a nasty nasty combo, and on their own there pretty amazing, especially with some magic banner of sorts. So my advice to you is next time send your khornate units against them, the herald on a jugger would rip into them, and he couldnt have more than five correct?
He could have as many COKs as he wanted, but only so many can actually get into BtB (If you run your Daemons 5 wide I think the max they can fit is 7).
But yep, Khorne units will rip them to pieces. PBs can hold them in place while Khorne units flank in and slaughter them.
The advice worked great tonight!
I had a rematch against my friend and his Dark Elves and I didn't just beat him, I slaughtered him.
We played a 1,500 point game tonight and my list went as follows:
Khorne Herald w/ Juggernaught (Amour of Khorne, all the other good stuff giving him +1 strength with flaming attacks as well as the awesome +0 armor save.)
Nurgle Herald (BS level 1 sorceror with banner of sundering as well as the icon that gives the unit the ability to reroll missed hits.
15 BL's with full command (icon of endless war), joined by herald.
15 PB's with herald, full command.
Two units of five Flesh hounds, one with Karanak.
Four flamers of Tzeentch (love these guys)
And last but not least, 12 Horros of Tzeentch.
Overall, the game went excellent. Having the herald with the PB's saved my butt with regeneration and their ward save. I took out his entire unit of Black Guard when he retreated and I ran them down.
They did take out my horrors, but not before they had to deal with the spell I shot with them.
The flamers did exceptionally well and nuked the oncoming line of greatswordsmen.
Overall, I won the game in 4 turns. It was a big contrast to last night's game. Sorry for the incomplete data, I don't have my sheets on me at the moment. It was a ton of fun though. Thanks again for the advice ==ME==
I feel all nice and warm inside after reading this.
And over there we have the labyrinth guards.
One always lies, one always tells the truth, and one stabs people who ask tricky questions.
Congrats on the win, hopefully there are many more to come
congrats on the win, as said before, may there be many more!