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I’m considering fielding a Greater Daemon, and own a Lord of Change, a Great Unclean One, a Keeper of Secrets, and a Bloodthirster. As an inexperienced Daemons player, I’d appreciate any advice you guys have to offer.
I have extensively searched Librarium, and read all the previous DoC threads on Greater Daemons that I could find.
So far multiple Heralds seems to be the weapon of choice. Is there anyone out there who likes the Greater guys?
in 2500 pt and more i always use greater deamons, me favorit is The unclean one... He's a good mage and fighter is u use balesword .. =)
I've always had a bloodthirster in 2k, and it's a beast. I'd say it's one of the few things in the game that can genuinely "make its points back" (an admittedly pointless idea, but interesting to observe).
I take the Dark Insanity/Immortal Fury combo and combined with flying he's a unit killer...against a lot of opponents (even the tougher nuts like Dwarfs).
Heralds spread the risk much more (and allow for a much more unit-oriented battle plan), but I'd say he's an efficient and worthwhile choice in 9 games out of 10.
But what I'd say is...don't bow to community wisdom - it's your army, take what you want. If heralds are your thing, take heralds. If you want to dust off those GDs, do so...or even take the third option of special characters.
Your own experiences and play style is a better source...particularly if you already have the models - experimenting will cost you nothing!
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
Rork makes a good point - there's only so much a forum can do for you. Experience from your gaming group is always best, esp. since you have the models.
But that aside, BT finds himself in my lists ASAP too...but then for mono Khorne, no surprise I use the same setup as Rork, with the Collar of Khorne thrown in. If you play him right, he's extremely hard to kill (by that, I mean don't run him out in front of a cannon, hit units in the flanks etc.) and delivers a beating. When tooling one up, there isn't a bad choice at all. Axe of Khorne tends to be left at home, but that's about it.
A friend of mine runs a Keeper and that's pretty brutal too. Good magic, plays with LD and it's fast too. It's not quite as good as the ability to Fly, but pretty close. more of an all rounder than a BT with a few different tricks but still very effective.
But even though BT isn't a wizard, the fact you don't feel the need to juice up his magic ability is something I like about him too - makes him darn cheap! There's Dragon Lords out there that can't do what he does for 200 points more!
Anyway, hope it helps. I'd encourage you to try them all out, see what compliments your army the best.
BT worth his points for sure. Most armies dont even have any ways of even killing him or stopping him. Hes not very fun to play against but he is good.
Yeah BT is a beast. WoC forum has a thread about how to deal with him and they have come to the conclusion that unless they get a lucky gateway off on him there is really nothing they can do about him. It's the wings that do it. Otherwise you can throw roadblock units in front of him and get flank charges off. But the Thirster can fly over the roadblocks and is large so he can see over them as well.
As for the others, I like the Keeper. He is almost as good as the BT in combat but land-bound so he can be roadblocked. But he does add some magic to the army. The GUO is not really my style but if you want to play a slower, defensive game he is a great choice. Personally I don't see a reason to use the LOC when you can use Kairos. He has soooo much more versatility. There is a thread here debating Kairos vs. a LOC but I am just not convinced by any of the arguments. I guess if you could not use special characters, but in that case I would probably go with two Heralds instead.
I personally go with 3 or 4 Heralds usually. I like to be able to spread them around instead of putting 5-600 points in one model. It depends on your army style. Horrors do not really need Heralds to be effective but Tzeentch Heralds are quite good on their own. Plaguebearers have to have a Herald to be effective, IMO. Bloodletters definitely benefit from a Herald because they only have one attack each so the Herald helps to make them count. Daemonettes can probably get away without a Herald as well because they will probably be charging and have a good initiative anyway. It is nice to be able to have that Siren Song or other trick up your sleeve with them however so a Herald can be a nice addition.
So I would say it comes down to personal style and preference. I usually use Heralds but can go with a Keeper or Kairos on occasion. Others, as already stated, won't leave home without their Bloodthirster. Since you already have the models I think it would be a shame not to use them and if you go up to 3000 pts.(or play 40K) you can use two of them in the same list.
...and precisely for the reasons given the BT is one of the last GDs I consider(which means I dont).
Kipper with spirit swallower or Big Bird with corona, extra pd and flames(or magister) are my favourites. Closely followed by the GUO mostly with trappings, staff and max magic level.
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All GDs can work, but they do end up being massive targets.
BT is a flying unit destroyer.
LoC is a magical powerhouse, overshadowed by Kairos's awesomeness.
GUO is freakin unkillable.
KOS has some neat tricks and is fairly hitty.
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Thanks for the info folks.
I realise that a forum can only go so far, and experience obviously counts for a lot, but I think you'll find that the more inexperienced players find LO invaluable for hints, tips, plain speaking etc. It certainly still works for me.
I have an all khorne army with a Great unlcean one. the fun thing about the GUO is that most people vow that they wont mess with him but eventually they decide, hey that 600+ points, i bet i can take that, and eventually they divide their power between my army and my GUO which is great with T3 Bletters.
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