New Codex Possibilities - Hurt/Heal

[avatar of khaine]

adding incubi cults.

[7] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[6] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[3] Have a variant list like wyches
[9] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[10] Incubi Master gets +1A
[8] Incubi Master gets +1W
[2] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[9] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[4] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[5] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[10] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[4] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[6] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[10] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[10] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[7] Hidden Deployment models may run

Scourges
[11] Use Jet Pack rules
[5] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[6] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[5] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[4] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[10] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[9] Cost down to 35 points.
[1] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[4] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[5] No longer a 0-1 unit
[5] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[9] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[3] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[3] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[11] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[3] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[3] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[8] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[1] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[2] Cost down to 75 pts
[3] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[1] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[1] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[4] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[11] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[5] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[4] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts

[karantalsis]

Hurt: Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar, Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue, Grotesques: Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless, Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name, Mandrakes: Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice, Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model, Hidden Deployment models may run, Scourges: May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs, Warriors: Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase), Raiders: Armor values changed to [/FONT][/COLOR]11/11/10[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana], remains at 55 pts, Reavers: Allowed as a Troops choice, Hellions: Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry, Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost, Above upgrade costs 2 pts each, Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model, Haemonculi: Lose IC status, Ravager: All, Weapons & Wargear: All except Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with, Vehicle Upgrades: Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts

Heal: Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar, Incubi: Have a variant list like wyches, May be taken as a separate Elites unit, Incubi Master gets +1A, Incubi Master gets +1W, Grotesques: Cost decrease to 13 points, Mandrakes: Cost decrease to 13 points, Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules), Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices), Scourges: Use Jet Pack rules, Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts, Warriors: Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2, Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost, Raiders: Cost down to 35 points. Hellions: No longer a 0-1 unit, Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn), Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play, Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise, Haemonculi: Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads. Weapons & Wargear: Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with

[8] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[5] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[4] Have a variant list like wyches
[10] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[11] Incubi Master gets +1A
[9] Incubi Master gets +1W
[1] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[10] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[3] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[4] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[11] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[3] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[5] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[11] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[11] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[6] Hidden Deployment models may run

Scourges
[Accepted] Use Jet Pack rules
[4] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[5] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[6] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[3] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[11] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[10] Cost down to 35 points.
[X] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[3] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[6] No longer a 0-1 unit
[4] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[10] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[2] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[2] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[Accepted] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[2] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[4] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[9] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[X] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[1] Cost down to 75 pts
[2] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[X] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[X] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[3] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[Accepted] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[4] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[3] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts[/QUOTE]

[Mongooseo]

Originally Posted by karantalsis

[8] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[5] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[4] Have a variant list like wyches
[10] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[11] Incubi Master gets +1A
[9] Incubi Master gets +1W
[1] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[10] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[3] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[4] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[3] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[5] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[11] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[11] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[6] Hidden Deployment models may run

Scourges
[Accepted] Use Jet Pack rules
[4] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[5] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[6] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[3] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[11] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[10] Cost down to 35 points.
[X] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[3] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[6] No longer a 0-1 unit
[4] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[10] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[2] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[2] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[Accepted] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[2] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[4] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[9] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[X] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[X] Cost down to 75 pts
[2] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[X] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[X] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[3] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[Accepted] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[4] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[3] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts

[/quote]

Heal: Mandrakes cost to 13 points. Accepted.
Hurt: Ravager cost to 75 points. Denied.

[Psyan]

Heal: Incubi: taken as separate Elites unit, Incubi Master gets +1 A; Grots: cost reduced to 13 points; Mandrakes: Poisoned Weapons for +1 pt/model, upgrade character, may run when in hidden deployment; Scourges: Cost for DL down to 15 pts; Raiders: cost to 35 pts; Hellions: Fleet of Flight;

Hurt: Incubi: Variant list like Wyches; Mandrakes: rending in close combat; Warriors: Splinter Rifles become assault 2 12"; Hellions: Blasters and Shredders (free or +2pts), Soul Seeker Ammo at +5; Wargear: Gruesome Talismans Count prisoners as +5 instead of +1

Added:

Cloaking: DE vehicle may purchase a cloaking device for +10pts that forces any unit targetting them to roll spotting range as if fighting at night; Night Shields reduce this range by their usual 6"


[8] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[5] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[3] Have a variant list like wyches
[10] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[Accepted] Incubi Master gets +1A
[10] Incubi Master gets +1W
[1] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[11] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[3] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[4] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[3] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[5] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[Accepted] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[Accepted] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[7] Hidden Deployment models may run

Scourges
[Accepted] Use Jet Pack rules
[4] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[6] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[5] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[3] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[11] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[11] Cost down to 35 points.
[X] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[3] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[6] No longer a 0-1 unit
[4] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[11] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[1] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[1] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[Accepted] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[1] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[4] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[9] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[X] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[X] Cost down to 75 pts
[2] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[X] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[X] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[3] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[Accepted] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[3] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[3] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts
[3] Cloaking: DE vehicle may purchase a cloaking device for +10pts that forces any unit targetting them to roll spotting range as if fighting at night; Night Shields reduce this range by their usual 6"

[karantalsis]

Heal: Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar, Incubi: Top 3, Grotesques: Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons), Scourges: Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts, Warriors: Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2, Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost, Raiders: Cost down to 35 points. Hellions: No longer a 0-1 unit, Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn), Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise, Haemonculi: Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads. Vehicle Upgrades: DE vehicle may purchase a cloaking device for +10pts that forces any unit targetting them to roll spotting range as if fighting at night; Night Shields reduce this range by their usual 6"

Hurt: Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar, Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue, Grotesques: Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless, Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name, Mandrakes: Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice, Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model, Hidden Deployment models may run, Scourges: May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs, Warriors: Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase), Reavers: Allowed as a Troops choice, Hellions: Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry, Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost, Above upgrade costs 2 pts each, Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model, Ravager: Armor values up to 12/12/10, Weaponry: Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts, Wargear: Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1, Vehicle Upgrades: Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts

Added: Mandrakes Additionally available as a 0-2 Troops choice, but get no upgrade character (still an elites choice with all options)

[9] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[4] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[4] Have a variant list like wyches
[11] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[Accepted] Incubi Master gets +1A
[11] Incubi Master gets +1W
[1] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[2] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[3] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[2] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[4] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[Accepted] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[Accepted] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[6] Hidden Deployment models may run
[3] Additionally available as a 0-2 Troops choice, but get no upgrade character (additionally still an elites choice with all options)

Scourges
[Accepted] Use Jet Pack rules
[3] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[7] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[6] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[2] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[Accepted] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[Accepted] Cost down to 35 points.
[X] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[3] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[7] No longer a 0-1 unit
[3] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[Accepted] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[X] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[X] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[Accepted] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[X] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[5] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[10] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[X] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[X] Cost down to 75 pts
[1] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[X] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[X] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[2] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[Accepted] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[2] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[2] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts
[4] Cloaking: DE vehicle may purchase a cloaking device for +10pts that forces any unit targetting them to roll spotting range as if fighting at night; Night Shields reduce this range by their usual 6"[/QUOTE]

[Tutankhankh]

Heal: Harlequins
Hurt: Ravagers armour upgrade


[10] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[4] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[4] Have a variant list like wyches
[11] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[Accepted] Incubi Master gets +1A
[11] Incubi Master gets +1W
[1] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[2] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[3] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[2] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[4] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[Accepted] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[Accepted] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[6] Hidden Deployment models may run
[3] Additionally available as a 0-2 Troops choice, but get no upgrade character (additionally still an elites choice with all options)

Scourges
[Accepted] Use Jet Pack rules
[3] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[7] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[6] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[2] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[Accepted] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[Accepted] Cost down to 35 points.
[X] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[3] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[7] No longer a 0-1 unit
[3] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[Accepted] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[X] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[X] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[Accepted] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[X] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[5] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[10] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[X] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[X] Cost down to 75 pts
[X] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[X] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[X] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[2] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[Accepted] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[2] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[2] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts
[4] Cloaking: DE vehicle may purchase a cloaking device for +10pts that forces any unit targetting them to roll spotting range as if fighting at night; Night Shields reduce this range by their usual 6"

[Psyan]

Since we've already accepted Scourges as "using Jet Pack rules" can we just remove the "may make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs"?

[WraithGuardian]

First of all, let me just say that I like the way you did the whole thing. Its a lot more convenient than having everyone simply post ten paragraphs of their own opinions, ending up in every person restating the same thing ten times and no one reading the previous posts.

***I dont care about harlequins, in fact I would much rather be without them and instead simply make the wyches better. For example make them 12 points a piece and give them rending ability.
***Incubi master with 2 wounds? Please tell me you are joking! THEY ARE ELDAR PEOPLE
***Scourges entry is misstated. If they would have a jetpack than they would automaticaly get the 6" move in assault phase so there is no need to have a seperate criterion for it.

[10] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[4] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[4] Have a variant list like wyches
[Accepted] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[Accepted] Incubi Master gets +1A
[11] Incubi Master gets +1W
[1] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[2] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[3] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[2] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[4] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[Accepted] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[Accepted] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[6] Hidden Deployment models may run
[3] Additionally available as a 0-2 Troops choice, but get no upgrade character (additionally still an elites choice with all options)

Scourges
[Accepted] Use Jet Pack rules
[3] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[7] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[6] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[2] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[Accepted] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[Accepted] Cost down to 35 points.
[X] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[3] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[7] No longer a 0-1 unit
[3] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[Accepted] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[X] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[X] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[Accepted] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[X] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[5] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[10] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[X] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[X] Cost down to 75 pts
[X] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[X] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[X] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[2] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[Accepted] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[2] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[2] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts
[4] Cloaking: DE vehicle may purchase a cloaking device for +10pts that forces any unit targetting them to roll spotting range as if fighting at night; Night Shields reduce this range by their usual 6"

[Krovin-Rezh]

Originally Posted by Psyan

Since we've already accepted Scourges as "using Jet Pack rules" can we just remove the "may make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs"?

Hmm, I think it should stay. My logic here is that we are not necessarily creating a single army list, but rather a wide spectrum of possibilities. Thus, if both become accepted. Either one would be worthy of GW's attention.

Thank you very much, wraithguardian. I appreciate the recognition. karantalsis made a sister thread for discussion of this list. I don't mind comments in this thread at all, but we don't want a lot of discussion here as it is not the true purpose of this thread.

That said, I'm right there with you on the Harlequins. A lot of people seem to love them though, and I don't mind if we get them added to our list as long as the rest of it gets the attention it needs. So I'm not going to hurt that one, personally.

You have a point about the Incubi Master, but he does need a good reason to be used and doesn't currently have any. As a multi-wound model, he could be useful for soaking up extra damage like a poor-man's Drazhar.

Like I said above, one choice does not really cancel out another, as long as we're not talking about whether a certain unit should be added or not. So in the case of the scourges, the "move 6" as if they had jet packs" item is actually 12" + 6" because they are still considered jump infantry.

[Krovin-Rezh]

heal: rangers; mandrakes 0-1 troops, run when hidden; haemonculi as ugrade characters; terrorfex 10 pts; hellions not 0-1;

hurt: grotesques feel no pain USR; warriors 2*12" rifles, pistols + ccw as add-ons; talismans 5 pts (sorry, that one doesn't make much sense with VPs gone =P); vehicles cloaking;

add: Captured Prisoners gives +1 Kill Point for every 10 models captured. A unit with the Animus Vitae counts 2 models toward this tally for every capture

New Units
[10] Harlequins as seen in Codex: Eldar
[5] Rangers as seen in Codex: Eldar

Incubi
[4] Have a variant list like wyches
[Accepted] May be taken as a separate Elites unit
[Accepted] Incubi Master gets +1A
[11] Incubi Master gets +1W
[1] Incubi Master may be chosen regardless of the number of incubi in the retinue

Grotesques
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[2] Terrifying Opponent changed to override Fearless
[2] Feel No Pain replaced with USR of the same name

Mandrakes
[Accepted] Cost decrease to 13 points (same as Wyches w/ their weapons)
[4] Changed to a 0-1 Troops choice
[4] Rending in close combat for +2 pts per model
[Accepted] Poisoned weapons for +1 pts per model (4+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)
[Accepted] Upgrade character (+10 points, +1A, +1Ld, Armoury choices)
[7] Hidden Deployment models may run
[3] Additionally available as a 0-2 Troops choice, but get no upgrade character (additionally still an elites choice with all options)

Scourges
[Accepted] Use Jet Pack rules
[3] May make 6" move in assault phase as if they had Jet Packs
[X] Skyleap similar to Swooping Hawks
[7] Cost per Dark Lance down to 15 pts

Warriors
[5] Splinter Rifles become 12” assault 2
[1] Warriors carry pistols & rifles (cost increase)
[Accepted] Warriors may replace rifles with pistols & ccw at no cost

Raiders
[Accepted] Cost down to 35 points.
[X] Armor values changed to 11/11/10, remains at 55 pts
[X] Armor values changed to 12/11/10, cost up to 65 pts
[X] Seperate entry as a non-dedicated transport

Reavers
[3] Allowed as a Troops choice

Hellions
[7] No longer a 0-1 unit
[3] Unit type changed to Jet Pack Infantry
[Accepted] Fleet of Flight (USR: may run & assault in the same turn)
[X] Blasters & shredders taken can replace the splinter rifles on Hellglaives at no cost
[X] Above upgrade costs 2 pts each
[Accepted] Surprise Attack: may assault the turn they deep strike into play
[X] Entire squad may take Soul Seeker Ammunition at +5 pts per model
[5] Hellions hellglaves become 12” assault 2 shooting with the same rules otherwise

Haemonculi
[11] Available as upgrade character to Gortesque squads.
[X] Available as a single unit of 1-3, lose IC status (must obey coherency)

Ravager
[X] Cost down to 75 pts
[X] Armor values up to 12/12/10
[X] Loses open-topped status (a new model could reflect this change)

Talos
[X] Gun upgrades +10 pts: either Soul Seeker Ammunition or Poisoned Sting (2+ to wound, 5th edition poison rules)

Weaponry
[X] Dark Lances become 36” assault 1 (cost increase)
[X] Dark Lances become 24" assault 1
[3] Terrorfex cost down to 10 pts

Wargear
[Accepted] Gruesome Talismans give -1 Ld to any unit the model is engaged with
[1] Gruesome Talismans count prisoners taken by the wearer as 5 pts instead of 1

Vehicle Upgrades
[2] Horrofex cost up to 10 pts/10 pts
[3] Cloaking: DE vehicle may purchase a cloaking device for +10pts that forces any unit targetting them to roll spotting range as if fighting at night; Night Shields reduce this range by their usual 6"

DE Special Rules
[3] Captured Prisoners gives +1 Kill Point for every 10 models captured, a unit with the Animus Vitae counts 2 models toward this tally for every capture