Grey Knights are impossible for DE

[Ridell]

but the crucible is a total mess when conflicting with the brotherhood of psykers rule.

Nah, there's no conflict. Brotherhood of Psykers has a part about attacks that specifically target Psykers. In such cases, the Justicar (if he's alive) takes the hit, and if he's dead a random model from the group suffers the attack.

What I find hilarious is that the Crucible can remove vehicles, since they are treated as ML1 Psykers thanks to the Psychic Pilot special rule. This does, however, raise a point: if the vehicle is removed from game whilst having passengers inside, what happens to the passengers? Do they disembark just before the vehicle goes poof, or are they gone with their vehicle?

[Attemptedm]

Ha. You know that's going to get FAQed

[EternalEther]

Wouldn't each model have to test individually if a crucible was used? It doesn't target units, it targets psykers. It looks at each indicidual model in range and forces a leadership test if they are a psyker.

I'm not really sold any way yet, but my impression seems to be each model would need to take a save.

[Ridell]

Wouldn't each model have to test individually if a crucible was used? It doesn't target units, it targets psykers. It looks at each indicidual model in range and forces a leadership test if they are a psyker.

I'm not really sold any way yet, but my impression seems to be each model would need to take a save.

*eyeroll* Here, let me quote from p.21 of the GK Codex, regarding Perils of the Warp and other attacks that target Psykers: "If the Grey Knight unit suffers the Perils of the Warp, or any attack that specifically targets psykers, it is resolved agains the Justicar or Knight of the Flame (if he is alive) or against a random non-character model in the squad if the Justicar or Knight of the Flame is dead."

Aaaaand from p.60 of the DE Codex, the important parts about the Crucible of Malediction: "Every psyker within 3d6" of the bearer must pass a Leadership test--"

Crucible targets specifically psykers, thus Brotherhood of Psykers steps into play and the Justicar/KoF takes the heat, potentially sacrificing himself to save his buddies. There, clear as crystal beyond all doubt.

[EternalEther]

*eyeroll* Here, let me quote from p.21 of the GK Codex, regarding Perils of the Warp and other attacks that target Psykers: "If the Grey Knight unit suffers the Perils of the Warp, or any attack that specifically targets psykers, it is resolved agains the Justicar or Knight of the Flame (if he is alive) or against a random non-character model in the squad if the Justicar or Knight of the Flame is dead."

Aaaaand from p.60 of the DE Codex, the important parts about the Crucible of Malediction: "Every psyker within 3d6" of the bearer must pass a Leadership test--"

Crucible targets specifically psykers, thus Brotherhood of Psykers steps into play and the Justicar/KoF takes the heat, potentially sacrificing himself to save his buddies. There, clear as crystal beyond all doubt.

I should apologize, I haven't read the GK entry specifically and was just going off what friends had told me, which was apparently wrong.

I appreciate the clarification. Rep.

[django]

Try using a Haemonculus Coven army led by Urien rakarth against them with either Scourges (To stick with the theme) or normal Kabalaite Warriors (For the massed firepower). Three Talos's and two units of 10 Grotesques will be able to mincemeat his vehicles and Haemonculi, Grotesques & Wracks won't lose their Feel No Pain through instant death.

If you need to remove specific figures, then try taking a shattershard. It's a one use but it could at least allow you to target pesky figures, such as the one who gives Paladins a Feel No Pain save.

...Also, Liquifier Guns were almost designed with Terminators in mind! ;-)

[goldenS]

If you need to remove specific figures, then try taking a shattershard. It's a one use but it could at least allow you to target pesky figures, such as the one who gives Paladins a Feel No Pain save.

you mean the Apothercary that they have??? he CAN be annoying, yes.

[pilot00]

Nah, there's no conflict. Brotherhood of Psykers has a part about attacks that specifically target Psykers. In such cases, the Justicar (if he's alive) takes the hit, and if he's dead a random model from the group suffers the attack.

What I find hilarious is that the Crucible can remove vehicles, since they are treated as ML1 Psykers thanks to the Psychic Pilot special rule. This does, however, raise a point: if the vehicle is removed from game whilst having passengers inside, what happens to the passengers? Do they disembark just before the vehicle goes poof, or are they gone with their vehicle?

Does the crusibles section state that they die a fiery/explove/blah blah death?Or they simply die?If they simply die logic dectates that the vehicle is left dead in its tracks and the passangers can bash open the doors and dissembark.

[Bugs_n_Orks]

Does the crusibles section state that they die a fiery/explove/blah blah death?Or they simply die?If they simply die logic dectates that the vehicle is left dead in its tracks and the passangers can bash open the doors and dissembark.

They are "removed from play" because they are driven insane. I assume in the GK vehicle case this means that they go crazy and lock the doors and use thier psychic powers to open a small warp rift that sucks the vehicle and passengers into non-existence...Although I agree that from a fluff perspective it sounds more like the vehicle should just be wrecked.

[Ridell]

Try using a Haemonculus Coven army led by Urien rakarth against them with either Scourges (To stick with the theme) or normal Kabalaite Warriors (For the massed firepower). Three Talos's and two units of 10 Grotesques will be able to mincemeat his vehicles and Haemonculi, Grotesques & Wracks won't lose their Feel No Pain through instant death.

Right you are, they won't lose the FNP to Instant Death. They lose it to power weapons (which every single GK has...). Moreover, Talosi, Grotesques and Haemonculi are not the best option against GKs; I'd even dare say they are the worst option. Wracks get no save, Haemonculi get oneshot by Instant Deathing power weapons and same happens to Grotesques and Talosi, unless -in the case of the Grotesques & Talosi- the GK player decides to take leave of his senses and uses Hammerhand instead of Instawin.

**EDIT** Almost forgot, Talos dies horribly to Psycannons. 4+ to wound and no save of any kind on a 6 to wound? Yikes...

On a related note... Is "Talosi" the proper plural for a Talos? Gah! Silly english language...