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10101 · February 13th, 2005, 17:09

I am wondering if anyone uses a punisher on their drachons/archons. I normally use agonisers and i was just curious

idinos · February 13th, 2005, 19:55

If I know I am going against marine opponents (not chaos) I usually take the punisher, tormentor helm, animus vitae combination.

Archonbjorn · February 14th, 2005, 15:07

I almost always use agonisers. They just rock if you come into CC with that big fat WL. Or other high T creature. Your incubis have punishers so why bother taking one when you can get a a archon with a ago so he knocks off the reall big things?

applebone · February 14th, 2005, 15:21

i choose punishers, simply because i like big axes. is there ay other reason to do otherwise? well, agonizers have their uses...com'ere, you big, ugly daemon prince, you!

ollieb · February 14th, 2005, 16:08

Unless you plan on using a drug roll to get +1 STR take the agonizer. Who wants their lord with an insane # of attacks needing a 5 to wound?

Also remember the agonizer autowounds on 4's regardless of how big and bad your opponent is. I love the look on my opponents face when I run up to his toughness bazillion (ok a little stretch there but you get the point) character and waste it in one round of cc.

Then there is also the glances vehicles on a 6. Granted not something I would bet the game on but it has come in useful on occasion when I screw up and let a dread get close enough to get into cc.

Gibb · February 14th, 2005, 21:36

Agonisers, one the best close combat weapons for low strength troops in 40k.period.

Archonbjorn · February 15th, 2005, 16:04

Yup gibb is right agis rock theres no other way around it. I have won like 30 batlles due to agonisers. (on my lord and troops)That is around 45% of my total batlles. So agonisers are important for me and they will always will be. (o yeah a powerfist for 15 pts or a ago for 20 hmm difficult choice

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karantalsis · February 15th, 2005, 17:18

I have to say this is an interesting topic, personally I take any of the following combinations:

Anti Monster Lord

Archon
Drugs
Shadow Field
Agoniser
Pistol

Mount on someone elses raider, by joining the squad (probably a raider squad) then leap out, leave the squad and assault a LONG way all alone, aiming at such lovelys as Chaos Lords, Demons, Wraithlords and anything else that I can rip apart then laugh at.

Anti Troop Lord

Archon
Drugs
Punisher
Animus Vitae
Shadow Field
Tormentor Helm

4 Incubi
2 Warriors, Splinter cannons
Raider

Mount in their personal raider and charge into the soft belly of the enemy leaving my other units to tie up the nasties and/or dark lance them to oblivion.

Combo 1

Archon
Drugs
Shadow Field
Agoniser
Pistol

Dracon
Drugs
Punisher
Animus Vitae
Tormentor Helm

5 Incubi
3 Warriors, 2 Splinter cannons
Raider

The reason for the extra warrior is another 5+ save.... using the mixed armour rules if I HAVE to take saves on 5+ then I will remove these instead of wounding the dracon (from shooting of course, not CC) In CC the dracon will be positioned so that only 2 or 3 of the enemy are in range of her punisher, so there will be none left if they get their initiative at all, keeping her safe from having to make those saves.

The archon eats the monsters.

Combo 2 (And my current favourite for high points games)

Archon
Drugs
Punisher
Animus Vitae
Tormentor Helm

5 Incubi
3 Warriors, 2 Splinter cannons
Raider

Dracite
Drugs
Agoniser
Pistol
Shadowfield

Same idea as combo 1 except it costs 5 points more and has much greater efficiency.

stealths · February 16th, 2005, 12:47

I have seen people using puniahers for archons before but they arn't that effective only good against large Armys like nids, orcs, eldar and tau because of the +1 str it can kill mose of them easily.

But i use agonisers they work for me better.

TwoHats · February 16th, 2005, 19:33

I only use Punishers on Reaver Jetbikes, or Archons mounted on Reaver Jetbikes...Strength Five!

Plus drugs and vitae? Seven... :wub:

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applebone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 893 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 63	i choose punishers, simply because i like big axes. is there ay other reason to do otherwise? well, agonizers have their uses...com'ere, you big, ugly daemon prince, you! __________________ Yeah, this is excellent! TY Angel of Rust! Graktoof the vile, victor of 1000 battles, partial credit to 1000 more, and sore loser about the other 8000...

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ollieb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Alexandria, Virginia Posts: 402 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 70	Unless you plan on using a drug roll to get +1 STR take the agonizer. Who wants their lord with an insane # of attacks needing a 5 to wound? Also remember the agonizer autowounds on 4's regardless of how big and bad your opponent is. I love the look on my opponents face when I run up to his toughness bazillion (ok a little stretch there but you get the point) character and waste it in one round of cc. Then there is also the glances vehicles on a 6. Granted not something I would bet the game on but it has come in useful on occasion when I screw up and let a dread get close enough to get into cc. __________________ Looking for a compliment here is like looking for a girlfriend in a cemetary. You know you probably won't like what you dig up, but you'll take it anyway.

February 14th, 2005, 21:36	#6 (permalink)
Gibb Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Newcastle,England Posts: 354 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 63	Agonisers, one the best close combat weapons for low strength troops in 40k.period. __________________ Legendary Dark Eldar Site "To play the blues, all you need is barbwire strung to a wooden pulp, an aching heart, and a babe who done left you" Win/Loss- Who Cares? "The only thing thats good to lose is your virginity"

February 15th, 2005, 17:18	#8 (permalink)
karantalsis Karrot Dialysis Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beeston Age: 26 Posts: 1,191 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 78	I have to say this is an interesting topic, personally I take any of the following combinations: Anti Monster Lord Archon Drugs Shadow Field Agoniser Pistol Mount on someone elses raider, by joining the squad (probably a raider squad) then leap out, leave the squad and assault a LONG way all alone, aiming at such lovelys as Chaos Lords, Demons, Wraithlords and anything else that I can rip apart then laugh at. Anti Troop Lord Archon Drugs Punisher Animus Vitae Shadow Field Tormentor Helm 4 Incubi 2 Warriors, Splinter cannons Raider Mount in their personal raider and charge into the soft belly of the enemy leaving my other units to tie up the nasties and/or dark lance them to oblivion. Combo 1 Archon Drugs Shadow Field Agoniser Pistol Dracon Drugs Punisher Animus Vitae Tormentor Helm 5 Incubi 3 Warriors, 2 Splinter cannons Raider The reason for the extra warrior is another 5+ save.... using the mixed armour rules if I HAVE to take saves on 5+ then I will remove these instead of wounding the dracon (from shooting of course, not CC) In CC the dracon will be positioned so that only 2 or 3 of the enemy are in range of her punisher, so there will be none left if they get their initiative at all, keeping her safe from having to make those saves. The archon eats the monsters. Combo 2 (And my current favourite for high points games) Archon Drugs Punisher Animus Vitae Tormentor Helm 5 Incubi 3 Warriors, 2 Splinter cannons Raider Dracite Drugs Agoniser Pistol Shadowfield Same idea as combo 1 except it costs 5 points more and has much greater efficiency. __________________ Dark Eldar Codex Suggestions The Violet Sector

February 13th, 2005, 19:55	#2 (permalink)
idinos Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 567 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 72	If I know I am going against marine opponents (not chaos) I usually take the punisher, tormentor helm, animus vitae combination.

February 16th, 2005, 12:47	#9 (permalink)
stealths Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Australia,Perth Posts: 241 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 61	I have seen people using puniahers for archons before but they arn't that effective only good against large Armys like nids, orcs, eldar and tau because of the +1 str it can kill mose of them easily. But i use agonisers they work for me better. __________________ LeArN HoW To lOsE BeFoRe YoU LeArN TO WiN

February 16th, 2005, 19:33	#10 (permalink)
TwoHats Festo Diata Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Montana Posts: 869 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 68	I only use Punishers on Reaver Jetbikes, or Archons mounted on Reaver Jetbikes...Strength Five! Plus drugs and vitae? Seven... :wub: __________________ 2H - LEGIO HYDRA

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