Yet Another Lame Topic

[Sareld]

Well, I searched this forum and I found loads of topice about new guys starting DE, but none of them seemed to enlighten me, so here I am making my own right here ^_^

Well, I have just assembled and painted most of my brand new Ulthwé army, and I am really dont feel like painting more Eldar for a while. So, I now consider to start a secodary army. I really like my armies to be extremely fast and deadly, and I really like my army to be a little sinister (thats why I chose Ulthwé in the first place). But, what fraction (like craftworlds ect) do you guys think would suit me best? As I said, I like speed, and I would like my shootyness/cc factor to be around 50/50..

And btw how diffrent are you from the other eldar? If you are too much alike, I think I´ll go orky instead...

[Archonbjorn]

I am a ulthwe player myself (secondary army) so I know wat the differences are. And the difference is huge you dont have that much 3+/4+ save CC units like striking scorpions and howling banshees with there special masks anymore. Also you wont be able to go playing cheese with 3 WL a council with fortune 4 mw with 8 warlocks etc stuff but wat you do get is that you are alot faster you are alot more mobile and its alot more challeging playing DE. You cant rely on your armour 12 transports or holo fields spirit stone stuff etc instead your transports will get shot down before you even can say missisipi . You do get superiour troops compared to our black guardians and you do get a CC monster HQ instead of the farseer. DE and CWE dont look alike that much because your cheese factor will get tackled down I dont know a way how to play cheese with DE now I think about it. . . Anyway dont expect De is like howling banshees stuff them in a wave boost forward and next turn your in if you think its like that then your better of in another section. We do need planning how to get our units in CC and we cant rely on all kind of nifty upgrades to save our transports. Visit some DE sites look upon tactics or skim trough batlle reports. It should give you a general ID also were working on the De faq atm wich contains for now alot of info about the units eough to make up your mind if you ask me. Anyway De is different from ulthwe trust me im the best person to ask this question (If some1 thinks thats not the case then say it )

[karantalsis]

I may be repeating some of what Archonbjorn said here, but what the hey.

Dark Eldar are faster even thatn the eldar and deal far more damage, to balance this they are weaker by far, unable to take wery mcuh punishment from shooting, unlike the eldar elites Dark Eldar elites actually have weaker armour than their stadard troops.

You will notice for the same points as a guardian you get a Drak Eldar warrior, aspect warrior stats, guardian price.... not a bad deal at all.

Dark Eldar are a treat to play when you get their tactics flowing nicely, they are a joy to watch as they surge across the field and decimate your enemies, mostly in one or 2 turns of arriving in close comabt range.

Eqwually i you go for a more shooty style of Dark Eldar army the torrent of Dark Lance and Disintegrator shots that can be poured out is truly astounding, as is the number of splinter shots from Cannons. Dark Eldar warrior squads get the added benefit of being allowed 2 Heavy AND 2 Special weapons in each squad allowing the formidable 2xSplinter Cannon, 2x Blaster combination.


All in all very different from the more resilient Craft World cousins. Also as you'll learn as a DE player when you see an 'elite army set up across from you (or cheesy some may say) such as 3 wraithlords, thats the time to start smiling.... Wraithlords, Daemons, anything of that nature is easily dealt with by a Dark Eldar froce and costs your opponent alot in points. Especially wraithlords.

[Sareld]

Nice (Y)

I do love to shoot, and I really hate to count on high AVs for protection.. Even the most supirior armor is bound to fail, but if they can´t reach you the armor won´t even get scrached

I think I am going to like DE a lot. Now all I need is a list and some money, then Im ready to go ^_^

[a bit of an odd fish]

If you really don't feel like painting any more eldar for a while, then i don't think dark ELDAR would be wise. Their playing styales are quite different, but basically the same. Going orky would be about as different as you could go, as far as painting, models and style go. When I collect two armies, I like them to be pretty different.. but whatever you want to do.. wanadoo broadband.. sorry ignore that last part. Anyway if you want to play DE then speed is your armour man

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by a bit of an odd fish@Mar 7 2005, 15:27
If you really don't feel like painting any more eldar for a while, then i don't think dark ELDAR would be wise. Their playing styales are quite different, but basically the same. Going orky would be about as different as you could go, as far as painting, models and style go. When I collect two armies, I like them to be pretty different.. but whatever you want to do.. wanadoo broadband.. sorry ignore that last part. Anyway if you want to play DE then speed is your armour man

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Why SHOULDN'T he be allowed to play DE??? The more DE, the better.

DE are completely different from Eldar. Especially Ulthwe. No more psykers, and the units are completely different in their uses.

DE have sniper squads; Eldar don't. DE have Wyches, which eat banshees for breakfast. DE have Incubi, which slaughter Scorpions.

DE are essentially Eldar, with a HUGE advantage in CC. DE also don't have psychic powers, are faster, and have less armor. (unless in CC).

[Archonbjorn]

BUT ulthwe can **** every1 with a big council. Ulthwe can mindwar all those exarches dead etc. Eldar have better firepower then us. (altough more expensive) Eldar can be played with pure cheese lists.

Dont forget that every army has a advantage towards the other on some areas. Altough I like the DE alot more then my Ultwhe. Even tough ive never lost with Ulthwe the De are still my first choice there more challenging to play with and cant be called cheese if you ask me.

[Apotheosis]

What about maxing out with 30 Darklances??? What if I wanted to use 18 disintegrators and 6 DLs???

Do you call that cheese???

I'd think so.

Ulthwe are no more powerful than DE. I've seen Ulthwe in action (my friends plays them, so I've watched them about 50 times at least).

Eldar have better firepower???

Give me a break. We have better BS, bigger guns, and oh yes we can stock up on lots of them. Example: 30 Darklances. Disintegrators cost almost nothing as well. They're weapon platforms are expensive as hell, and yes they have War Walkers, but we have Ravagers.

[Archonbjorn]

War walkers suck dude having standard troops (biel tan) that can shoot 48'' S5 AP3 twice every turn aint something you should underestimate as a marine player. Also there vehichles can have thigns called holo field you roll 2 dice and pick the lowest result for the table of glancing and penetrating. On top of that there all skimmers meaning almost always glancing and to make it even worse they throw a spirit stone on it ow on a 4+ i ignore crew shaken and on a 6 il ignore crew stunned have I also mentioned that iof its crew stunned and you roll a 4+ it gets crew shaken?

There are so many ways to max out on a certain aspect of eldar that we cant match them on all fronts. They can make the most cheesiest list that there are with minimum effort also there craftworlds get nasty advantages. Altough those of the alaitoc is easy to counter. You should try facing a good Iyanden player that knows all the ins and outs of his w40k army his standard troops will kill anything in the game including monoliths and stuff.

We know DE are good its a shame all those noobs think otherwise and we need to show them there wrong but you shouldn't underestimate your opponents army either. Because that will be your downfall.