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I picked up my Dark Elf army book today. I was going to go for a theme of lots of Magic and classical Monsters (I really like classics, I've a Greek-theme High Elf force, and fancied getting some of the 'Greek Baddies' as it were).
Obviously I've no idea whether this will work or not, hence would like some opinions:
Dreadlord: Soul Render, Shield, Armour of Eternal Servitude, Sea Dragon Cloak & Talisman of Protection. Manticore.
Ok save, shot-in-the-dark Ward and Regenerate should make the rider tough. Pity about the lack of protection for the mount. Originally I wanted to use a mundane Master, but due to the wierd rule about Manticores taking up an additional Hero choice for a Master, but not a Dreadlord, I gotta go for the more expensive option.
Sorceress 1: Level 2, Dispel Scroll & Dark Pegasus.
Sorceress 2: Level 2, Dispel Scroll & Dark Pegasus.
Sorceress 3: Level 2, Darkstar Cloak & Dark Steed.
Core Dark Elf Warriors
20 Warriors: Spears, Shields, Full Command.
20 Warriors: Spears, Shields, Full Command.
10 Repeater Crossbowmen: Repeater Crossbows & Shields.
I like the look of the models with shields.
5 Cold One Knights: Standard Bearer.
Standard Bearer to give me even more of a combat boost
War Hydra 1
War Hydra 2
2 Monster Teams
Hydra pair takes one flank.
Lord and Harpies take another flank.
In the centre, I have a line of the Spearmen-Crossbows-Spearmen. The Horse Sorceress joins the Crossbows. The Knights are held back to counter-attack anything approaching the line.
The Pegasus Sorceresses either support the main line (hiding behind it if needs be), or advance with the Lord (screened by the Harpies) so that he doesn't get ganged up on (after several Steal Soul/Bladewind the Manticore+Lord should be able to win against a block).
So, fairly basic plan. I hope it's not viewed as "cheesey" simply because I took 2 Hydras - I just want 'classical monsters' which happens to include Hydras (and Manticores, Pegasi and Harpies as it happens).
Do you think this could work as an army? As mentioned, I've not played with this force yet, and I've only had the book a few hours. Any thoughts appreciated.
You'll find plenty of that hereObviously I've no idea whether this will work or not, hence would like some opinions:Soul Render on a mounted model = fail. Go for the Deathpiercer, cheap KB lance never hurts. The Talisman of Protection also fails, I'd rather have the Pendant for protection or the Ring of Hotek to go nuking enemy mages.Dreadlord: Soul Render, Shield, Armour of Eternal Servitude, Sea Dragon Cloak & Talisman of Protection. Manticore.Why the scrolls? Dark Peggies can get your Sorcs into good position to do some damage, take advantage of it. Darkstar Cloak, Tome of Furion, and the like. Lifetaker doesn't hurt either. Use them to fly around, hit vulnerable targets with magic and generally provide a nuisance. Hydra's Teeth are something to consider for hunting mages, BSB, war machine crews, and the like.Sorceress 1: Level 2, Dispel Scroll & Dark Pegasus.
Sorceress 2: Level 2, Dispel Scroll & Dark Pegasus.Neat.Sorceress 3: Level 2, Darkstar Cloak & Dark Steed.I think 1 unit of 25 would be sufficient, unless you intend to sacrifice them for PD.20 Warriors: Spears, Shields, Full Command.
20 Warriors: Spears, Shields, Full Command.\10 Repeater Crossbowmen: Repeater Crossbows & Shields.
Big fan of the RxBs, I'd try and fit in more if possible.Please, sir, I'd like some more.6 Harpies.Might as well go for the full command group. I'd actually try and fit another unit in here or drop them for Dark Riders and/or Shades.5 Cold One Knights: Standard Bearer.SolidWar Hydra 1
War Hydra 2
I'd say it looks pretty good, I'd just try and build it to better support your big monsters. They do the damage, some ranked units wouldn't hurt. Warriors are good, as are Black Guard. Also, some speedy units like Dark Riders and Shades would help keep your big monsters from getting war machine'd and baited.
indeed Im a great fan of greek mythology and so , min sending me some pics 2?
well onto your list, I like it
If you dont like the manticores zero protection , wanna change it for a chariot lord?
Agree onto ==me=='s comment on repeater crossbows , they rule
3 sorceresses.... never tried it , but sounds good
further on , ==me== mentioned a lot I agree with so
thanks ==me== xD
Dark Elf General
Thank you for your thoughts.
I cannot get photos of the High Elves as they are at the moment in storage (lack of room in the house). Hopefully once I get a bigger room I can get them out and photograph them. The force is basically lots of Chariots, Spear Elves and Light Cavalry supported by 3 characters (one in one of the aforementioned chariots), small unit of White Lions and Shadow Warriors.
That's kinda why I won't use a Chariot Lord - I've already an army that's heavy on chariots and I fancied something different. I'm hoping the existence of 2 Hydras will do something for the survivability of the Manticore.
I only took the Soul Render as it was the only magic weapon I could afford. I don't want to give him a Lance as they are only good on the charge, and I'm worried about protracted combat (and jacking his price up - that's why I'm not convinced at spending the full 100 points of wargear on him). Still, I guess the Lance is better than nothing, and a mundane one would be cheap enough to allow me some better defensive trinkets.
Do you think I can make this army work without Dispel Scrolls? I am not sure about many of the Dark Elf Arcane items, so do you think swapping the scrolls for merely Power Stones is a good idea? The mages will be able to make use of them, and I guess every army has an achillies heel - but then again with 3x Lvl 2s I get a fair few dispel dice to throw at nastier magic. The Hydra Teeth thinges sounds like a fun plan though, and could be quite unexpected (for a Mage to launch lots of attacks like that).
I was taking the two units of Spearmen so I could have a reasonable battle line. I guess I could replace them with Corsairs, if those are better troops? I'm thinking that a line of combat-archers-combat would be quite effective, as it means I can shoot anything that fails a charge whilst having decent combat units.
I'll try to get more Harpies. They crop up a lot in Classical Literature, so more is always good. How to get the points though? Oh, and what's better, one large unit or two smaller units?
If I drop the Cold One Knights for Shades/Dark Riders, what do I use for counter-charge for the battle line? Or do you think it won't be needed, what with 2 Hydras, a Manticore and Harpies (and perhaps 2 Pegasus-mounted Wizards) enveloping both the enemies' flanks? I was originally considering a small skirmish screen of Shades to escort the Hydras (either to catch enemy bowfire/spells or to clear the way with their own bows). Should I go back to this plan (would give me some points for more Harpies)? Or is it a waste of the Shades' abilities? What would you reccomend I use Dark Riders for (since I have the Harpies/Wizards) to hunt war machines?
I really do appreciate the advice you've already given, and I apologise for this new deluge of questions, I do hope you have time to share some thoughts on at least some of them.
Thinking about the things above, how does this version look?
Dreadlord: Sword of Might, Shield, Armour of Eternal Servitude & Pendant of Khaeleth. Manticore.
He's tanked up on the defensive stats, so he should be a threat/annoyance even if his mount gets killed - perhaps another reason for avoiding a Lance (though it would be an entertaining model - an Elf legging it about afoot holding a lance ready to strike!)
Sorceress 1: Level 2 & Power Stone. Dark Pegasus.
Dark Lore, flaps around zapping things
Sorceress 2: Level 2 & Power Stone. Dark Pegasus.
same as above
Sorceress 3: Level 2 & The Hydra's Teeth. Dark Steed.
I know Hydras are more obvious on the Pegasus models, but I had an idea: she can either sit in the Bow unit lobbing the teeth at approaching enemy - IIRC she can stand & shoot with them as they are thrown weapons, or ride out and take on a War Machine crew. Nice and devious, even if not smart. Will probably give her Lore of Metal, since my list may struggle with high-armour foes that are fast enough to dodge the Hydras.
20 Dark Elf Warriors: Shields & Full Command.
20 Dark Elf Warriors: Shields & Full Command.
10 Dark Elf Repeater Crossbowmen: Shields.
War Hydra 1.
War Hydra 2.
The last 9 points I'll either give the Dreadlord a repeater Crossbow or give him back the sea-dragon cloak. Not sure which yet (probably the Crossbow, as I don't want much association with Dragons/Dragon Slaying as again that's my High Elves [my main character is based of Beowulf!]).
So I've dropped the Knights and picked up the Shades to protect/range ahead of the Hydras, an extra unit of Harpies and an improved Lord (pendant, Sword of Might vs Talisman and Soulrender). What do you think of it now?
Last edited by Treadhead_the_mighty; January 24th, 2009 at 22:04.
Power Stones only work once, the Darkstar Cloak is forever The Tome of Furion gives you another spell, a better chance of the one you want (Spirit of the Forge?) and the Focus Familiar means your Sorc can hide behind terrain and keep casting. A couple dispel scrolls never hurt as you only have 5 DD.
I'll maintain that the Pendant and Regen is overkill for protection. I like Armor of Darkness, Pendant, and the Deathpiercer or Crimson Death. If you want the Ring of Hotek, Armor of Eternal Servitude and Deathpiercer plus sdc and shield should be fine.
Corsairs are all about racking up kills while Spearmen provide static combat res. In your army I think spears fit better as a solid anvil. I'd be inclined to field Black Guard instead to anchor your battle line.
You may want to consider dropping 1 unit of spears and 1 Sorceress to get a nice unit of black guard. 14-18 with full command, Standard of Hag Graef and Crimson Death. Hits super hard and can hold against just about anything with high Ld and stubborn. If you weren't completely sold on the Manticore, throwing your Dreadlord in there would be a good idea. He can take challenges and not die while the BG slaughter enemy units around him.