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    Friendly 2250 Army Help

    2248 Pts
    Lords/Heroes
    Dreadlord *To be running with my Dark Riders*
    Heavy Armour
    Shield
    Sea Dragon Cloak
    Dark Steed
    Armour of Darkness
    Pendant of Khaeleth
    Death piercer

    Master
    Heavy Armour
    Sea Dragon Cloak
    Banner of Nagarythe

    Sorceress
    Level 2
    Darkstar Cloak
    Tome of Furion
    *Friendly game who dont mind the combo*

    Core
    20 x Warriors
    20 x Shields
    Lordling
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Banner of Murder

    15 x Corsairs
    Reaver
    Musician

    10 x Repeater Crossbowmen

    5 x Dark Riders
    5 x Shield
    Musician

    Assassin
    Cry of War
    Rune Of Khaine
    Man Bane
    Additional Hand Weapon

    Special
    5 x Cold One Knights
    Dread Knight
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Standard of Slaughter

    15 X Black Guard
    Tower Master
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Standard of Hag Graef
    Crimson Death

    Rare
    2 x Reaper Bolt Throwers

    War Hydra


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    Is there really a point to taking the Heavy Armour, Sheild and Dragon Cloak if you are taking the Armour of Darkness It would seem to be a waste of like 15 points since they cancel each other out!!!
    Well It's Better Then A Kick In The Sack And Losing Your Wallet!!!!

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    Well I'm new to this, where do you think i could allocate the points I take off of him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blainerz View Post
    Dreadlord *To be running with my Dark Riders*
    Heavy Armour
    Shield
    Sea Dragon Cloak
    Dark Steed
    Armour of Darkness
    Pendant of Khaeleth
    Death piercer
    As mentioned before, Armor of Darkness is redundant with full mundane. With heavy armor, sdc and a shield you will have a 2+ save anyway on your dark steed. That's 15 points freed up.

    Master
    Heavy Armour
    Sea Dragon Cloak
    Banner of Nagarythe
    Banner of Nagarythe is really quite expensive, almost too much. BG are virtually unbreakable anyway with high Ld and stubborn. I would actually drop this fellow or put him on a Cold One with the Hydra Banner

    Sorceress
    Level 2
    Darkstar Cloak
    Tome of Furion
    *Friendly game who dont mind the combo*
    4 power dice does not a competitive magic phase make. Either bring another Sorc or two or make her a scroll caddy.

    20 x Warriors
    20 x Shields
    Lordling
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Banner of Murder
    War Banner or nothing at all, Warriors are for SCR, not so much the kills.

    15 x Corsairs
    Reaver
    Musician
    Run them 6x2 and add the Sea Serpent Standard. I rarely bother with more than 2 ranks of Corsairs, they're job is killing things.

    10 x Repeater Crossbowmen
    A musician wouldn't hurt.

    5 x Dark Riders
    5 x Shield
    Musician
    If these guys are going to be fighty with your Lord, you may as well trick them out. A Herald and standard will help a lot. I think DRs are too soft to form an effective frontal charge, but they could do well hitting a flank. Then you may as well save points and use a Master.

    Assassin
    Cry of War
    Rune Of Khaine
    Man Bane
    Additional Hand Weapon
    I like Assassins.

    5 x Cold One Knights
    Dread Knight
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Standard of Slaughter
    Yum, maybe add the Ring of Hotek for some protection.

    15 X Black Guard
    Tower Master
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Standard of Hag Graef
    Crimson Death
    Bump up to 18 and go 6 wide.

    2 x Reaper Bolt Throwers

    War Hydra
    A good combo.

    You've got a lot of points invested in a unit of 5 T3 models with 4+ armor. Dark Riders are fast cav for a reason, they do not hold up well in straight up fights. Cold Ones are much better suited to the shock cavalry role. I think putting your Dreadlord on a Cold One would help a lot, as would dropping the Master for another Sorceress and using any spare points towards Shades, more DRs, or Harpies.
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    Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm going redo mix this up and see how you feel. Thanks for the help again =D

    ---------- Post added at 17:40 ---------- Previous post was at 16:59 ----------

    Alright so I reworked the army. This is exactly 2250Pts. You think this is a good friendly list? Thanks in advanced

    Lords/Heroes
    Dreadlord
    Cold One
    Armour of Darkness
    Pendant of Khaeleth
    Death piercer

    Sorceress
    Level 2
    Darkstar Cloak
    Sacrificial Dagger

    Sorceress
    Dispel Scroll
    Dispel Scroll

    Core
    20 x Warriors
    20 x Shields
    Lordling
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    War Banner

    12 x Corsairs
    Reaver
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Sea Serpent Standard

    10 x Repeater Crossbowmen

    5 x Dark Riders
    5 x Shield

    Assassin
    Cry of War
    Rune Of Khaine
    Man Bane
    Additional Hand Weapon

    Special
    5 x Cold One Knights
    Dread Knight
    Musician
    Ring Of Hotek
    Standard Bearer
    Standard of Slaughter

    18 X Black Guard
    Tower Master
    Musician
    Standard Bearer
    Standard of Hag Graef
    Crimson Death

    Rare
    2 x Reaper Bolt Throwers

    War Hydra

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    5 x Dark Riders
    5 x Shield
    I don't have my book at the moment but I think that giving them shields means they are not fast cav. anymore. This really defeats the purpose of having DR in the first place IMO. I would suggest dropping the shields and getting RxB's or just going naked.

    Sorceress
    Level 2
    Darkstar Cloak
    Sacrificial Dagger

    Sorceress
    Dispel Scroll
    Dispel Scroll
    These two seem almost mutually exclusive to me, one is a defensive caddy and the other an attempt at a powerful caster. You can get a pretty decent magic phase by giving the second one lev. 2 and focus familiar to either sit with your bolt throwers or hide in in/behind terrain.

    The rest looks pretty solid. As I said, no book at the moment but I would consider dropping Cry of War, and some musicians and/or banners to make up the points for the RxB's and lev. 2 on the second Sorceress.

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    Well, to balance the sorceress's i switched it up after thinking about the benefits of focus familiar.

    Sorceress - 100Pts (185Pts)
    Level 2 - 35
    Darkstar Cloak - 25/50
    Dispel Scroll - 25/50

    Sorceress - 100Pts (185Pts)
    Level 2 - 35
    Sacrificial Dagger - 25/50
    Dispel Scroll - 25/50

    I realized that i probably wouldn't be charging much with my Assassin anyways so - the Cry of War

    And if you can find anything on the Shield+Fast Calv= Not fast calv that would be great, i looked through the fast calv section of the WHFB Rulebook and didnt see anything, maybe i missed it tho?

    Now im one point over >.< All i can think of is dropping my musician on the Warriors? Unless of course the fast calv cant keep shields without a penalty

    Thanks for all the help. Its greatly appreciated
    Last edited by Blainerz; February 4th, 2009 at 04:42. Reason: Got double posted for some reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blainerz View Post
    And if you can find anything on the Shield+Fast Calv= Not fast calv that would be great, i looked through the fast calv section of the WHFB Rulebook and didnt see anything, maybe i missed it tho?
    The cavalry lose their designation as fast because of their armor save getting better, not just because of them having shields.

    If fast cavalry get an armor save of 4+ or better, they are no longer considered fast cavalry. You get a 6+ for being mounted and a 5+ for light armor on top of that. Putting a shield on the model will make it have a 4+ AS, so that would remove their "fast" designation. I don't have my BRB with me here, but that's the way the rule works.

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    thats the way the rule works for specific fast cavalry units in their own army books, but there is no rule stating this for all fast cavalry in the BRB. so unless it says you lose fast cavalry status with a 4+ save in your own army book, then they stay as fast cavalry, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blainerz View Post
    And if you can find anything on the Shield+Fast Calv= Not fast calv that would be great, i looked through the fast calv section of the WHFB Rulebook and didnt see anything, maybe i missed it tho?

    Now im one point over >.< All i can think of is dropping my musician on the Warriors? Unless of course the fast calv cant keep shields without a penalty
    The Armybook clearly states:
    Fast cavalry (unless equiped with shields)

    So it would be obvious that same thing goes for the lord.
    Last edited by aimbob; February 4th, 2009 at 18:13.

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