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I just got back into warhammer and devised this 2000point armt for DE. Would gladly appreciate any tips from experienced generals.
Supreme sorc-lvl 4 = 285
pendent of khaleth
Sorc-lvl 2 =150
tome of furion
Death hag = 200
cauldron of blood
Master on cold one = 129
20 spears full command = 208
shields with war banner
5 dark riders = 117
20 crossbows = 244
18 black guard = 273
8 cok = 256
war hydra = 175
repeater bolt = 100
Right off the bat I would say try and remove the CoKs. Cavalry are pretty bad in 8th because of Steadfast, lots of terrain, Buildings etc. That will actually get you a ton of points back.
Crossbows probably don't need Shields or a Standard, you can just hide them in a Forest/Building/Obstacle. If your opponent is running around in your backfield, Shields won't help you.
Black Guard could probably use FC and a bump up to 25, they will take some losses before getting stuck in.
I prefer Harpies and/or Shades over Dark Riders, they do the same job but more reliably.
You can probably save some points and drop the special Banner on the Spearmen if you need too.
Sorc doesn't need the Pendant, she will be hiding in the back with Xbowmen all game, shouldn't be taking hits. Give her a generic Ward Save if you really feel nervous. At 2000 I'd say you only need 1 caster, spend the points on more bodies. Your BSB on foot in the Black Guard with the backing of a Cauldron is a heavy hitting unit. Not sure if you can fit a Lord in but if you can, that'd be great for your hitting power.
Thanx man. Would you advise me to keep both sorcs behind xbow? Plus I know this will be a noob question but just to make sure, when you say put the bsb in with black guard I take it he replaces the normal SB? ty for your time:-))
I'd put the Sorc in the Xbows, gives her a Look Out Sir and some wound for protection, pretty safe place for her. A BSB does not replace the normal SB, he is a character independent of the Command Group. You still get the SB, the BSB does different things and you can utilize the bonuses of both.
I see cheers. Should I knock the cok down to five to free up a bit more points? I know you said get shut of them but I would like to keep some in.
Yeah if you really like them knock them to 5, try and screen them from shooting with terrain if you can. I'd rather put the BSB on foot, try to keep them near him in the early game if you can because of Stupidity.
Ok here goes
Supreme sorc lvl4 = 250
Master = 109
Death Hag = 200
cauldron of blood
30 spears = 244
5 shades = 85
additional hand wep
24 xbow = 250
24 blackguard = 347
5 CoK = 175
war hydra = 175
Repeater bolt thrower = 100
any better mate?
Yup that looks way better. I'd say you can lose some of the Xbows but unless you have a unit you want to bulk up or a cheap item you want to buy, it's not a big deal.
Just to let you know Black gaurd have a max unit size of 20.
And also a great option for your BSB is to make your cauldron hag bsb as she will be granted a 4+ ward save as well as protection from shooting thanks to the warmachine rules.
Bolt throwers...Im not to keen on, I find for the same price a chariot will give you more bang for buck.
I will show you the list im using for a 2000pt local tournie tomorrow
Supreme sorc lvl3
ruby ring of ruin
tomb of furion
seal of grohnd
cauldron of blood
muso, SSS banner
14 witch elves
muso, flaming banner
(supreme sorcerer sacrifical unit)
extra hand weapons
I think your first list looks alright actually.
Pendant on a Supreme Sorceress is actually really good, as it effectively gives you a 2+ ward save against the S6/S10 miscast hits.
Shields on Crossbows work well, a 5+ save is better than a 6+ save after all, plus if you unfortunately find them in CC you get the 6+ parry save which can be the difference between a won/lost combat.
Cavalry is still viable in 8th Ed although not in the "point and fire" sense. Because you are required to be more tactical with cavalry in 8th Ed a lot of people who used the "point and fire" approach are quick to disregard them. Use them to smash through small lightly armoured units and flank larger formations. The Ranger Standard is immensely useful for Cavalry throughout all the races, as the Strider rule means our Cold One Knights can happily crash through the trees, walls etc.
Example: I fielded a unit of 5 Knights with a SB w/ Ranger Standard in 3K against Beastmen. They sat behind cover, then charged at a Tuskgor Chariot through ruins, broke it, panicked a 40 strong Horde of Gors and ran both units down. Two turns later they had come back to my side of the board and ran down 3 Minotaurs, having killed another 2 of them beforehand. Case and Point. Cavalry is not bad/defunct in 8th Ed, you just have to know how to use them now.
A lvl 4 and a lvl 2 is not too much magic.
I think the first list is fine if you tweak it just a little bit.
Your BSB would be better off in the unit of Black Guard. Why not give him the Shrieking Blade and Ring of Darkness. Shooting at him and his unit are half BS, attacks against him are half WS and he causes Fear. Alternatively make your Cauldron the BSB.
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