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Hey guys, I'm pretty new to playing Dark Elves, but before the Druchii I commanded an Orcs and Goblins army for quite a while.
Anyhow, last night I played a 1250 pt game against the Ogre Kingdoms. I didn't survive very long sadly.
What tactics and strategies do you guys use when facing Ogres or Dwarfs or anything else with high strength and toughess? Are there any units that are "must haves" against them?
I basically used a unit of warriors w/ spears , a unit of warriors with xbows , a unit of executioners , 2 RBT's, a Cold One Chariot, 5 Dark Riders w/ Xbows, 6 Shades, a noble and a scroll caddy. (and again, I freely admit I have no idea what I'm doing so feel free to tear that to pieces.)
Against Ogres, you want heap big shooting.
Think of their units as Knights, those things are very tough to beat on the charge, as I've found.
Gnoblars you should watch out for. They are the perfect meatshield to redirect charges, get shot etc, try run them down in combat, that'll kill heaps in one go.
Against a generic High Strength army, the Lore of Dark Magic is one of the lores I am most terrified to face. DEs truly are an awesome offensive magic army.
Barring that, I'd say call upon the Hydra or other nasty creatures, the WEs Treeman works wonders, the Hydra can't be that different.
I haven't played against Ogres before but I play a pretty shootly and magic heavy army and that has worked out for me. Getting the soul eater spell is pretty much an instant kill on gnoblars plus you'll gain double amount of wounds on your sorceress. Otherwise Doombolt, Word of pain and Dominion are also good spells.
If you want to win in CC Then chariots and knights always works. And I'd think that Witch elves + cauldron would own them pretty hard.
The key to take down ogre sized units is to really focus to bring down one unit at a time while preventing the other units to progress. DE've got the best harassment unit in the game (dark riders) and they're excellent march blockers, otherwise Dominion spell and deny their movement.
I'd probably go with hard-hitting units, supported by magic.
Crossbowmen with Reapers can probably bring down enough as long as the units don't have too heavy armour.
Sorceress' doombolt hits heavily enough, and dominion can slow their attackers to your preferred pace and leave them open to knights or witch elves (who can be just as great at slaying gnoblars as ogres with their awesome numbers of poisoned attacks, along with a man bane-hag). You'd need a LOT of them though. The executioners hit heavy as well, though they probably die too easily against ogres when their killing blows won't work.
And of course, the fatties. A war hydra can take a lot of hits (especially in 7th when it gets regen), and a manticore can break a lot of stuff in the charge. Also, dogs of war can be a choice. 5 of Golgfag's ogres with great weapons can be really awesome in both offensive and defensive games.
Last edited by matricide; July 29th, 2008 at 20:33.
The key against Ogres for any Elven army is to ensure that you get the jump on them, not vice-versa - hit him with Cold Ones and support with Dark Riders and harpies. Aim to get off as many flank charges as possible - use Harpies to bait, and get the flank charge so you are only fighting one enemy at a time.
Ogres with a full bull charge are devestating. Shooting cannot be underestimated - you have lots of shooting as DE, especially Dark Riders, who can flank and pick their way through and around Ogre units. Same with Shades. I use Reavers and Nobles armed with Reaver bows in the same way - they can get around the meat shields, and into the gaps between Ogre units.
Watch out for the Ogre hunter if you field Hydras, Manticores or Dragons, and never leave you sorceresses unprotected and prone to a "fetch!" attack from the Sabre tusks.