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Hey everyone, I've been looking for a good forum for tips for starting my Dark Elves army and found this one. I've never played Fantasy before but I've read through the rules a couple times and I think I have a basic understanding of it. I loved the Dark Elves so I picked them as my first army but the hobby being as expensive as it is I don't want to start buying things I don't need right away. My goal for now is to make a small 1200 point army based on the armies of Naggarond so pretty heavy on the more militaristic units and less of the raiding and Khainite units. So I would like to go with mostly Warriors, Dark Riders, Cold One Knights, Black Guard, Sorceresses and Repeater Bolt Throwers and I want to run a Master on a Chariot. So what would be the best advise for starting out based on that?
Well since you've never played fantasy before the best advice I can give you atm is to test play. Go to your local GW store and tell them that you're interested in starting fantasy and dark elves and you would like to test play. They will guide you through a small battle.
Onto the armylist advice. I think that you'll have to provide us with a foundation to work on. If you really don't have a clue then you can always make an armylist request in the army builder thread. Also read the thread: DE tips and tricks [BETA] for some tips and tricks. One word of advice is that be aware of the stupidity rule of the cold ones. Having too many cold one units will result in missed test... and that's not good. You can rise the potential of black guard a lot by giving them the hag banner making them always strike first.
personally I think you cant go wrong with a cavalry based DE army; its relatively cheap unit wise, and the units are very versatile ( dark riders and cold ones) I would purchase a good hero like the one who negates cold one stupidity; and go for 2 cold one units 2 dark rider units repeater and a unit of spearmen, with various heros etc.
personally this is what im doing as well.
If you're looking to minimize your initial expense and want dark riders, you're probably going to have to convert some Wood Elf glade riders as the dark riders themselves are frickin' expensive.
If you don't have your heart set on a cav army, I'd strongly recommend getting the Battalion box, a box of warriors, and a reaper bolt thrower and maybe a sorceress. That'll make you competitive in all phases of the game without going over the top in any specific one, and it won't break the bank.
I just started playing Dark Elves a few weeks ago and that's the route I went based on advice from this very forum, and it's worked really well for me.
Glad to have another DE player!
I agree that the battalion box is great for it's value and a very good start for a dark elf army.
If Malus Darkblade and Spite are in a unit of COK then the unit doesn't suffer from stupidity, as it says in the book "They know who's boss"
(Special Rule: "Not Just A Dumb Brute", P67 for quick ref.)
Personally I'd only have one unit of cold ones, possibly two without a chariot.
When restarting my army with the new release I bought the Battalion, may seem counterproductive spending £50 in one go, but it will keep you occupied for writing up a force. It comes with (iirc) 12 Spearmen and 18 Repeater Crossbowmen, you can buy shield sprues from the bitz section on the online GW store if you're wanting them all Spearmen though, and making them all Repeater Crossbowmen is a matter of not stickign the spears on them.
Dark Riders are quite expensive as they don't appear to havea boxed set yet. (I'm still a bit wary as I managed to buy one horse that didn't have any front legs...)
Go into your local store and watch people paly and have a few small scale fights yourself with a store army. Get to grips with magic as much as you can and be aware of what army you will be up against the most. If you have friends that play the game figure out the weaknesses of that army and utilise it in your own army lists when you can. The staff in the GW store all have different loyalties to different armies, asking them all their opinions can get you a very colourful image of what's good and bad about each army and common tactics.
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I bought the Spearhead (actually got it a week before its release) so I already have a pretty good selection of heroes. I don`t like using special characters though. Also would larger units than 5 of Cold One Knights be effective? I used 2 of the Cold Ones to make a Chariot so I have 3 left from the spearhead and will be buying another box of them soon so I'll have 8 in total. Lastly for those who have purchased Dark Riders, do they come attached to the horses because I like the models riding them but not the horses themselves so I was hoping I'd be able to put the riders on Wood Elf Glade Rider horses.
Oh and the closest Games Workshop is just over an hours drive so I don't have the option of playing with a store army. I game with a club at a local comic book and game store in town and we're all just starting up Fantasy together after playing 40K for a couple years.
Last edited by Zeruel13; September 13th, 2008 at 04:19.
Larger units of cold one knights are risky in that you're putty a lot of eggs into one basket unless you have that hero that removes stupidity in the unit. It might not be a bad idea to use a large cold one unit (probably no more than 8 or so, tho) if you're going to run the hero, and maybe toss in a null talisman just for extra magic D.
'course I'm not a big fan of cold one based armies - I have a token 5, but cav isn't really that heavy in my army.
Your mileage may vary.
well IMO knights shouldn't be more than 7 with or without character. If they become too big then 1. they'll be clumsy with movement. 2. too many points into one unit. 3. not everyone are going to fight meaning mostly that the extra models above 6 are just going to be meat shields... and that's expensive meat shields. But the standard size knight unit is between 5-7 models. Most players use 6.
Even with the spearhead the battalion box is great as you hardly get any models in the spearhead. With the battalion you get the extra knight unit and useful warriors and some extra corsairs. After that you can find a way to get some dark riders and look at other special choices.