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I've suddenly got the inclination to convert a DE chariot to use the new Cold One models, but doubt whether it is a viable option. The chariot, without a hero, doesn't have enough unit strength to negate ranks - plus, it's stupid.
On the other hand, it's fairly manuverable with a good charge range and impact hits to-boot. It certainly can't win battles on its own, but makes for a relitively cheap flanker. If taken as a mount for a hero, you can negate ranks and get the extra unit in for 10 pts less than buying the chariot separately.
So, what have your expiriances with chariots shown?
- BTW, does a character get a boost to their AS from been mounted on a chariot (I know it gets +2 against shooting, but what about CC)?
yes it is a fairly good combo. It doesn't take up an additional special slot and as you said it gives the chariot the little extra to make it good. One of the cons is that yes it's stupid, they can't march, destroyed if hit by S7+ weapons and that your master isn't assisting other unit that IMO needs his assistance more. About the save question. Yes he does get the +2 from chariots in CC as well but he does lose it if the chariot gets destroyed or in a challenge (where he gets down from the chariot), the character can even use the saving throw of the chariot if he wishes. Also remember that shooting is randomized between the character and the chariot, only hitting the character on 6s. Also remember that a lance gets +2 S on the charge as well.
The Warhammer Rulebook, under the unit strength section, specifically states that the unit strength of a chariot increases by one if riden by a hero. The replacement of one crewmember only reduces the number of attacks the charioteers can make.
it will negate ranks, but I don't think the investment is worth it. I think CoC by themselves are allright, as long as stupidity doesn't ruin you, but putting a master in it is asking for a cannonball to the head (chariots get targeted with cannonballs anyway, but giving away 250+ points instead of 100pts hurts)
I've got a lion chariot converted, but haven't spent the time yet to figure out how to get the new cold ones to fit it yet.
so if the character dies, does the chariot live one with just one crewman I guess.
My problem with the whole idea (besides making a huge investment in "shoot me" points) is that the chariot doesn't move that fast. The only advantage the chariot has with a character is the ability to negate ranks (the 2 extra attacks nullify with the randomness of impact hits in my opinion and are certainly not worth the extra 150pts) If you don't use that advantage, then what's the point? Are you just trying to see how many stupid units you can cram into an army? It takes a chariot so long to get to a flank, and even then you may not be guaranteed the flank shot depending on the army. While the modelling aspect is awesome, there are so many drawbacks to having a character in a chariot, that I can hardly see this tactic ever being viable. If the cauldron was like the war alter, I would change my tune slightly. The war alter is probably the exception.
In other words, convert your cold one chariot and use it, but don't put a character in it.
I agree! The hydra is only 175 points and generally does about the same carnage as a chariot with a hero - just cheaper and more reliable.
While I agree that sticking a master into a chariot isn't the best idea. You can't render it obsolete either. It's still a valid option for those themed armies. There are some strengths too. You can sort of count the character having a 1+ ward and against shooting as long as the chariot is alive since everything else will hit the chariot. While it's not being as fast as cav it can still manage to keep up with foot infantry and provide good flanking options. It's good for a naked BSB as he can move to whatever position he wants without worrying about his survivability all the time.
The biggest drawback for the chariot is stupidity. And if you want to be competitive then it's better to stick your master in a unit, they'll need him more than a chariot.
I am fairly certain that if a chariot (or ridden montser) is hit with a template weapon or cannonball they are both hit.
I didn't think that a character in a chariot gained any +1 or 2 to his armour save though (from shooting or combat), I haven't really looked this up though I was just going on what I felt was commonsense. I figured once you hit the character (ona 6) there was no additional protection from the chariot, similar to a monstrous mount.
And take it from me it isn't worth it, your BSB, or Master only has 2 wounds at T3, s/he will be targetted and killed in fairly short order. I tried it with HE the other day and it was crap, I either had to hide him from shooting all the time (negating his mobility) or have him as a gigantic target.
It might be viable against a non-shooting army like Chaos or Brets maybe otherwise I am with Buckeroo on this one sorry.