Mobile Assassin

[ELSE83]

i was reading throught the assassin abilities and just a question to make sure that this is a legal strat.

i have 7x shades in my tournament list with a assassin in it now. the assassin is equiped as follows

ASSASSIN: additional hand weapon, manbane and rending stars.

MANBANE: raises the assassins strength to one high than the targets toughness up to a total of 6 wounding on 3+.

RENDING STARS: is a 3x multi shot throwing weapon that is users strength +1.

now the question that i have is, say using the stars against a T5 chariot, does manbane raise your strength to S6 and then the throwing stars add a additional +1 for a total of S7.

[==Me==]

Yes, it's horribly evil

[buckero0]

Planning on the exact same thing to deal with Black Coaches and War Alters or lion chariots. Anyone know if a Black Coach is a large target? I can't remember if it is or not (don't think so and I got rid of my VC book when I decided I wouldn't play them).

[1337Malekith]

that is a negative, a chariot is t5 (usually), an assassin is str 4, with rending is str 5, THEN manbane comes in play giving a total of str 6. So I am sorry.

Reasoning: manbane wounds with 3s, not with 2s, it can only modify the str of the rending stars by 1, up to a max of 6. adding the rending star after makes it a 2 to wound and manbane would lose effect. If you read it carefully, you add in all str modifyers before adding the manbane.

and to answer Bucker: black coach is not a large target

[==Me==]

Nope, Rending stars give +1 to S, and Manbane modifies your S enough so that you wound on a 3+. S5->S6->S7, chariots die horribly.

[1337Malekith]

with that reasoning and the chart you made, makes it sound like an assassin starts with a base str of 5.

Base str 4, rending stars +1 = 5, Manbane to a t5 model = str6

Rending stars count as a weapon, adding +1 str to the base of the user when using it as a thrown weapon, THEN in the manbane rules, it says that a weapon coated with manbane always counts their str one higher than a targets toughness, to a max of 6. the assassin using rending stars starts at a str 5, before the manbane comes into adding str.

I want your reasoning on why the rending stars +1 is calculated after the manbane.

[Breten]

Actually, they don't give you S7 according to Gav Thorpe:
DARK ELVES Q&A: ON THE RULES Mechanical Hamster

Was an assassin always meant as a chariot killing star throwing maniac… I mean Strength 7 on a throwing star, (with the stars and manbane) ain’t this a bit much?

It is not possible to get Strength 7 with Manbane. The throwing stars add +1 to the S of the model and then the Manbane is a bonus on top of this (just as ordinary poison would be) - it clearly states Strength is increased to a maximum of 6.

[==Me==]

Not an official FAQ, irrelevant.

Manbane lets you wound on a 3+, rending stars put the +1 on top of it. That's how we play it.

[buckero0]

back to the drawing board, I guess it was too good to be true, that elves would finally have something to address power chariots besides saddling a dragon. That seems to be GW's thinking with everything. "What do you mean you have no way of dealing with - - - . We gave you a dragon!"

[1337Malekith]

thats a cheesed way of playing it then

and dont worry bucker, shades with great weapons work perfect against taking out a black coach. just make sure their are woods near it and you should get the charge, unless your opponent is bold enough to destroy himself. Besides that, bolt throwers