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I am thinking about getting back into warhammer again but am still undecided about which army to assemble. I think I have narrowed my search down to WoC and Dark elves. Keeping this in mind I guess, I have a few questions I would like to ask the Dark elf players. I am looking for an army that is rewarding when you win, and needs constant interaction from the general, in short, I want an army that is challenging and is harder to win with. I am also looking for an army that is not overpowered. I want an army that not many people play with and preferably an army that has a low to medium model count. I guess my overarching question would be, from what I want in a warhammer fantasy army, are these characteristics that of a dark elf army, or should I be looking more towards WoC, or even perhaps another army? Thanks everyone for replying to my questions, it is much appreciated!
I would say all armies are rewarding when you win, unless you are playing against someone with absolutely no clue or is a total tool.I am looking for an army that is rewarding when you win, and needs constant interaction from the general, in short, I want an army that is challenging and is harder to win with
Challenging and hard to win with also is dependent on your opponent and both lists. Most lists do well against some things and not so well against others.I do not consider any army overpowered, however many people will tell you that VC and Daemons are currently overpowered. Dark Elves and WoC are both in the upper half to upper third of the current power rankings with Dark Elves slightly higher up.I am also looking for an army that is not overpoweredBoth Dark Elves and WoC are fairly popular right now as they are both new army books. both armies are also fairly elite, thus having a lower model count.I want an army that not many people play with and preferably an army that has a low to medium model count.
Both armies(all armies really) can be both tactical to play or point-and-shoot. You could make a list with a Dragon Lord, 2 Hydras, fill out the points, aim at the opponent and charge. Or you can make a more diverse, tactical list that will be effective.
If you are looking for a challenging(read: weaker) army I would say that currently Ogres, Orcs & Goblins, and Beasts are near the bottom of the power rankings. In general, the easiest way to find the "stronger" vs "weaker" and popular vs. not as popular armies is to look at how old the army book is. The newer books are generally more popular and "stronger" and the older books are generally less popular and "weaker."
My final advice would be to find an army you enjoy both the look and playstyle of. If you are going to be playing for any length of time you will see the rise and fall of pretty much every army, so in the long run it really doesn't matter which one you pick now. They all will go through the cycle, it's just the way of the hobby.
Last edited by NecroNid; April 12th, 2009 at 16:24.
I would agree with NecroNid for the most part, however I do want to bring up one point. Although I don't play WoC, from what I can tell, they tend to have a more single sided play style. By that I mean, the majority of their games usually revolve around charging straight ahead and get into close combat ASAP. I know there are other factors that play a roll, but overall, that is the way WoC plays. There's nothing wrong with it, but I picked DE because I felt I could alter my list to make an adequate army revolved around any and all of the 3 phases of the game. We can hit them heavy with magic while we wait back with a few elite units , load up on artillery and dance around a lot of armies firing away, or barrel straight forward and take on enemies face to face. And anywhere in between. It's very easy not to play the same game every time. That being said, WoC do dominate the close combat phase the majority of the time and are not completely worthless in the other phases. They just revolve around one main one.
Just thought it's something to consider since it factored into my decision since I too was considering WoC.
Hope it helps
Yep, I agree with both posts before me. It sounds like you might get bored with an army where tactically you seem to do the same thing all the time or just have few options to go tactically. WoC are indeed a very powerful army, but it does not take a extremely intelligent person to play them. You either do one of two things with them, build a heavy hitting CC force or a Heavy Magic force. They Do VERY well in both but its pretty straight forward.
Dark Elves will give you more options and routs to go. Dark Elves have so many options open to them to face almost any circumstance. Oh, and who can ever get bored with Assassins!
I've played WoC a few times with my DE and, with his army at least, it was basically just a balls to the walls charge straight at my lines. Granted they wrecked most of my guys, that seems to be the usual strategy.
WoC has the depth of a puddle, it's "rawr charge" and hope for the best. With no skirmishers or flyers they can't control enemy movement and are at the mercy of more mobile foes, and with little to no shooting they can't control enemy movement by forcing their skirmishers/flyers away. It's a very one-dimensional army, lots of pretty models, but little substance.
DE, on the other hand, have a little bit of everything. Great magic, great shooting, great mobility, and plenty of good skirmishers/flyers.
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Based on what you say you want from an army, Ogre Kingdoms fits the description very well. I play ogres and personally I think they are the most rewarding army I have. A large part of that satisfaction comes from my opponent thinking he will steam roll my army and gets his a$$ handed to him. As far as interaction with the general goes, ogres need his leadership for panic tests and other such things. Ogres are also quite challenging and hard to win with. they are also underpowered in comparison to the new editions and pretty much all the older editions too. As far as the model count for ogres goes, it is one of the smallest model count armies.
Hope this helps.
So far my track record with ogres has been: