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Hi fellow Darkies.
I've fought several battles against my elven brethren and cannot seem to find a way to win, when he uses the Star Dragon with a defensive equipped lord on top.
First of all, I don't know who to attack (the lord is even harder to hurt due to saves but has less wounds).
Secondly, should I focus on the dragon or try to leave it alone?
I've been thinking of trying a Dragon Killer lord:
Dreadlord on Dark Pegasus
Pendant of Khaeleth (ofc), Regeneration armor and crimson death.
This character could eventually wound or at least hold up the damn Dragon, hopefully for the entire battle, or until I can turn my units and flank/rear the dragon.
Would this be any good?
if not, what else should I do?
Thanks a lot in advance, it seems that the dragon is my only real threat in the HE army if he deploys it, since the rest of the army can be outmaneuvered.
Best regards - Kasper
Well, to fight a dragon, you are gonna need something that will make sure you don't run. Dark steed can't be killed from under your feet as his hero will make it easy combat rez + outnumber = you autobreak. With a darksteed, you dont give him any combat rez and just focus on the dragon. Trust me Ive faced this and I tried killing the hero up top. It didn't work to well.
My lord was on a coldone, crimson death, regen, PoK, inside a unit of CoK with banner of slaughter. I got the charge and challenged him. He passed this break test which was like a 3, and ended up getting tied down for 3 turns of combat till his dragon princes flanked me. It took my assassin to KB his Lord on the dragon, besides that I will ALWAYS focus my str 5 or higher atks onto that damn dragon.
So here are some tips
- If you get 1st turn, shoot the hell out of it
- Get your lord into a challenge with the dragon and prince
- Don't have your lord on a mount that gives his str 7 dragon free combat rez (Dark Peg, Dragon, Manticore, Chariot)
- Using a unit of Dark Riders with a lord might seem like a tasty treat for him so put it out there to get the charge
- Coldone's are nice as you only take fear instead of terror or if you feel like thats not enough, give the Cold One Knight Champ the Pearl of Infinite Bleakness
- Make sure you are in a unit that can provide static combat rez as your lord in a challenge will hopefully and most likely take ALL his away (Banner, Out Numbering, some sort of warbanner or BSB if you have the points, ranks if you want him in a foot unit)
Hope this helps. With Dragons, you have to deny him combat rez as he only generates the outnumbering and can't win without the kills
Aight, it seems like a nice idea to do, especially that with the free kills aso
But he knows if I deploy the Lord in the CoK, so he can just chose to focus on the rest of my army, thus destroying it. Wouldnt it be nearly impossible to get my Lord to the Dragon if my lord isnt flying?
Wouldnt he be stupid to get his dragon range/sight of my lord in that way?
I'm a little new to this game, if my questions are stupid in any way, please excuse me
Shadow magic helps out with this, Look up Unseen Lurker, get a level 2 with a power stone and drop 6 dice to get it off haha, it will force his dragon to fight your lord. Dark steeds are not much slower than a dragon so I would try for that if its such a problem. Also if you take bolt throwers, deploy them away from each other so he will have to fly around getting hurt.
Aight, good idea with the lurker.
Thanks a lot, I'll try it when I get to face him again !
Dropping six dice into any spell seems like you'd be asking for a miscast. I'd give that sorceress either a sacrificial dagger (to increase the casting without risking miscast) or a tome of furion (to increase the chance of rolling the spell up). I'd say a unit of CoKs with the lord in is your best bet, give them the standard of slaughter for the D3 res and the banner, they outnumber with US12 and you could even throw a bsb in there if you wanted, just to give some extra res and maybe the banner of cold blood to make the stupidity and fear tests not a problem anymore .
This would, on average, give you 5 Combat res to start off with. If you give your lord the potion of strength and a lance he can have S9 on the charge, so you should get at least a wound on the dragon hehe. Hope this helps a bit
I'm trying an antimagic armylist (2 scroll caddies + ring of hotek) so the Dreadlord in CoK unit seems like the best idea, thx
Does my lords Ld10 apply to the whole unit when testing for stupidity?
My solution is most Epic I believe, though might be tricky and requires a little practise.
I'm using Lord on my own Black Dragon equipped with this nasty spear (Caledor's Bane... how fluffy) as well as Potion of strengh.
Once I get the charge, which is hardest part of all but shouldn't be very hard due to all those Harpies around, I strike as hard as I can trying to kill theDragon. Of course, his Lord is faster than myself... nevertheless, he is not decent in combat. He may, I believe, maximum deal a single wound. And then I try. With Eternal Hatred and that many attacks, Lord should almost always deal 3-4 wounds himself. Then my Dragon with 5 re-rollable attacks should, if Khaine wishes, finish it.
If not, I managed nevertheless to cause enough harm to kill it next turn. With propobility of my Dragon surviving his ones' teeth and claws. THat's more than possible after all. But not neccesary.
Then, during his combat phase, least I have already killed his Dragon, Lord, still being S7 finishes fragile monster.
From this moment onwards its quite easy.
Interesting (and fun) idea, the last one.
I'd bring a damn dragon myself
Ever tried 4 bolt throwers?
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