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how do you guys run 20 man strong units of warriors.. Im asking like how wide and ranks..also a sidenote, how many harpies should I have in a 2250 pt list if im trying to be compettative..
20 isn't the most useful unit size for Warriors. A 5x3 block of Warriors without command is decent for holding your home table quarter, bodyguarding a sorceress and threatening march blockers, all without a large points investment. To use them in an offensive capacity, I would recommend a 6x5 block with shields and a character or two for support. (Remember that SCR is the only thing Warriors do well.) Most Druchii generals, however, only use Warriors as sacrificial dagger fodder, for which 5x4 is good as it's large enough to not take many panic tests.
I can't really advise on Harpies without knowing what kind of list you play. I like to use a lot of crossbowmen and cavalry, and that kind of list doesn't need Harpies at all. Most MSU lists bring one squad of 5-10, or use Shades instead. A more static-defense list might need two squads of 8 or so; I doubt your opponents will be careless enough for a third march-blocker to be useful.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
I take warriors as 25 strong, FC, shields, and war banner. At 5-6 SCR, they are a solid unit for its cost. Not great, but solid. give them a master with full mundane and GW, or a choppy assassin, and they can handle their own against most units. Give them the banner of Nagarythe BSB, (you need assassin bodyguard for this to work) suddenly you have a huge SCR death star clocking in at 7-8 SCR.
As for harpies, I usually just skip them, as I run dark riders and shades. They have their uses even then, but I've done very well without them.
At one point I came to the realisation that warriors are not good for real combat, compared to our other choices. That is to say, things like Black Guard, Corsairs, Executioners, etc. are much better for their points cost at acutally fighting enemy units.
Now, this is not to say that warriors are without use. In typical druichii fashion, anyone can be of use on the sacrificial altar - a cheap unit of 15 - 20 is perfect for your sorceress with the Sacrificial dagger, as this size of unit serves a threefold role: as a bodyguard for the sorceress, they can fight off light cavalry and skirmishers and provide bodyshields against missle attacks; as fodder for her dagger; and as a small unit which can hold objectives and can, in a pinch, be thrown into combat - however be careful when using them for outright combat, as their unit strength may be depleted from the sorceress' enthusiasm.
Alternatively, warriors can be used as small units for flanking, or in larger units for frontline fighting when points are few. The problem with this last is that dark elves as an army are so easily outclassed in terms of SCR, that to have a unit whose sole strength is SCR is not really playing to the army's strengths. Rather, as many people will tell you, dark elves should be played in a style leaning towards, if not outright standing atop, the many small units strategy.
If you do play a unit of 20, play them in 5x4, as you need as many rank bonuses as possible. Use shields, and give them a banner at least, plus a champion and character if you want them to be a mainstay unit in your army.
As for harpies, their number depends on the rest of your army. In general Dark Elves have many more fast, skirmish-y units on which to rely compared to other armies - even other elves. Your options are basically Dark Riders, Shades, and Harpies. Dark Riders are a core unit (and add to the minimum requirement), and so see generally much more play than Harpies on an army by army basis.
If you choose to use harpies, use a unit of about 6 - 8. Anything more doesnt really add more to the unit, while a unit of 5 suffers after the first casualty. One unit should suffice if you plan to use also Dark Riders, although you may choose to take more if your list contains more stand and shoot types. This is because you may decide you need to slow down the enemy's marching more while you shoot at them.
Last edited by targetfixed; May 17th, 2010 at 05:27.