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I have selected well the cheapest list i could make, i am trying to make it as successful as possible. I need advice on how to do that please
Dark steed 12
Heavy armour 4
Sea dragon cloak 4
Total = 152
level 2 70
1 dark steed 12
total = 282
20 dark elves warriors 120
full command 15
total = 155
12 crossbows 120
total = 160
2x20 corsairs 400
full command 50
total = 450
5 harpies 55
total = 55
5 dark riders 85
repeater crossbows 25
total = 110
total = 175
Now this army will cost me £164 which is amazingly cheap really. I have not brought anything but the army book yet so i can change alot of stuff still just my spending limit is around £200 at the most!
Can i have some advice on how to make this a more powerful and useful list please
Last edited by christopher4444; June 9th, 2010 at 17:28.
All army lists should be posted in the Dark Elf Army list sub forum. Also a forum rule not to post point costs of un-upgraded units (the harpies for example) or specific items as it breaches Games workshops copywrite mumbo-jumbo.
AnywayDark steed is a poor mount choice for a Master. I think if he joins the Dark riders they will lose their fast cav rules.Master 80
Sea dragon cloak
Mask of terror is a waste of points too. You already have a Hydra causing terror anyway.
He also has no weapon upgrade, striking at S4 isn't very effective for a hero.These would be much more effective & worth their points if given some magic items.2xsorceress
1 dark steed
total = 282
Darkstar cloak, focus familiar, powerstone.. etcGood. I'd boost them to 25 or give them a Warbanner. Or both20 dark elves warriors
total = 155They dont total 160. 10 per squad is enough.12 crossbows
total = 16020 per squad is a bit excessive for Corsairs. Spearmen are better if you're looking for a big block.2x20 corsairs
Maybe reduce one squad to 14 with no command. Keep the other at 18-20 if you and give them Sea Serpent Standard.
Or drop one unit entirely and take a unit of Cold One Knights or something, considering you dont have much for flanking with.Cool. I'd boost these up to 65 harpiesGood. Give them a musician5 dark riders
total = 110OkHydra
Last edited by Manu_Forti; June 10th, 2010 at 04:27.
Dark Elves - Game #28 vs High Elves: Draw
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Music on dark riders isn't actually needed, its nice to have, but only helps like 1 out of 6 rally attempts. So for me at most every 3 games I fail to rally with them...
Master on dark steed is actually a fine choice, but not for escorting dark riders, they are too fragile and will take a bit of shooting if you put him in the unit. Its really more of an advance tactic of putting him in a block unit and occasionally charging out of the unit.
As for the list, its pretty bad, nothing other than the hydra hits at anything resembling a decent strength. There is absolutely nothing in the army other than the hydra that hits above S4, and most of the list is S3... DE are WAY too fragile to give the enemy a chance to hit back, low strength attacks give them that chance. Volume of attacks is nice, but your opponents not getting saves, and/or wounding on 2s is usually better.
As for buying a DE army, I recommend getting the battalion box, 2 boxes of warriors, and a master preferably on foot with a GW. HW/shield is fine too. Cold one mounted is ok, but generally you don't want expensive guys riding stupid mounts.
The recommended purchase I gave will give you 2 units of 20 spear warriors, 2 units of RxBs, 20 corsairs, and 5 CoKs. I don't know how expensive that is in pounds, but I think in dollars that is only 170 or so. (depends on character price, but you can convert out of the corsairs, as you won't need them all) In fact I recommend converting the corsairs into shades. Corsairs are just bad, high volume of S3 attacks is just not needed in an army that can get it so easily from shooting or the surprisingly deadly witch elves.
Dark riders are a bit expensive to purchase, but I think there is a cheaper option of converting from the WE cav models, using some spear warriors as the upper half. Honestly I don't think this is a bad idea, since you most likely won't need more than 25 warriors. (unless 8th ed radically changes things, which it could)
Sorry about note posting in the army list sections, i just joined and didn't notice there was one until i had already posted this.
heya manu i made a few mistakes when writing this list, basically my master is not on dark steed he is on dark pegasus the idea is for him to fly right behind enemy lines spreading terror sorry a bit of a mis-type there. I did it with crossbows as well as you said. Thanks for the advice and definitely will be taking and changing my army around it
hey natobot 187 thanks alot for the advice and you have really opened my eyes in the sense that well i have to much of weak stuff and i need some more hard hitting stuff!, this army is based around buying 2 battalions but i guess i will probably scrap that now and just have to spend the money.
Ok list, avoide the Deathmask on the Master, A pendent of kh-somthing is a really good choice because it gives you the equivilent of a 4 up ward against troops, 3+ against strength four and 2+ on strength 5 or higher. Now it doesn't work exactly like this, when you suffer a wound, you just need to roll equal to or under the attackers strength.
ok i think im just going to make a 1000 point list now and slowly build it up! I am going to do this because of money problems and clearly the cheapest army i can make is terrible. Hows about this for a 1k point list, (im posting it here as i have already made thread and its a change to the original list thats why i haven't posted this as a new thread in the army list section, sorry if this isn't ok):
5 dark riders
Ok this is obviously a very heavy magic list! this amount of magic should be uncontrollable for someone to dispel at 1000 points so i should win the magic fight, i am going to use the dark riders to annoy and hopefully bring the enemys best unit out of the game by moving it close to the best unit then when it charges flee and keep bringing it out of the game. Without the best unit they may have bigger difficulties in attacking me in combat as i have a hydra to spread some terror when they get close and also smash through some of his second best unit or just try to get flank charges, but that may be hard with movement 6. My warriors will just take and defend against charges really, there my core obviously! If everything goes to plan this is what will happen, advice would be really appreciated thanks. I think this is a much better list!