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Picture if you will, Malekith's Nagarythe army, just before the sundering. Rampaging across Ulthuan tearing up cultists and what not. Or, perhaps the army he had with him at the time of the Sundering itself. There are plenty of Pre-Heresy armies in 40K, why not a Time of Legends Army?
Naturally, I can’t find my Malekith book right now, and I have yet to read the next one, but I shall venture on…
The book describes Malekith's army as being made up of:
Super Sneaky Ninja Scouts
Rule outs from the Dark Elf book: Repeater crossbows, everyone is described as having bows. Because the Temple of Khaine had not been established, that rules out any Khainite units. There is some debate about when the Dark Elves started using cold ones, but I think we have to rule out any of the monstrous types as well.
High Elf rule outs: White Lions were created to protect the Phoenix King from the Druchii. Sword Masters were established later. Phoenix Guard could represent Malekith’s personal bodyguard, early versions of the black guard. Eagles never fought for the Nagarythe that I know of. Same with Griffons and Dragon Princes.
So here are my thoughts…
Eltharion on foot to represent a young Malekith. A Warrior and a mage.
Mages and nobles as… mages and nobles.
Spearmen and Archers (duh)
Or… Sea Guard, as they seem to fight in a similar manner to Dark Elf Warriors.
What do you think? Any input?
Before the sundering, they are described as being very versatile in magic and combat. They should still have Shades, as they are described as having units at work in all lands disrupting things in advance, so both Shades and Dark Riders have their places in the unit.
They also were described as being very monster heavy. Not Great Eagles or pegasus, but griffons, manticores, and such were all there. No Cold Ones as they had not been found yet.
they were described at flat out allying with demons at one point , so I might allow units of demons in as a Rare Choice; because they tended to be closer to Slaanesh, perhaps Slannesh demon's would only be Special choices.
Dark Riders ride Dark Steeds though, which weren't around at the time, they were bred through after new lands were settled. I'd agree on the griffons being included.
If you opt for a daemonic route then it would probably be a unit of undivided daemons like furies (a bit harpyish anyway) or a small slaaneshi unit - though I seem to remember something about daemons unable to remain manifested in Ulthuan (Unless that comes later) so may not be a fruitful alliance for battle.
Fantasy: Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Beastmen and Tomb Kings.
LotR: Misty Mountains and Rohan
so basically allow the DE to use monsters from other army spell lists, like Wyverrn's from the O&G's, Lamasu/Great Taurus from the Chaos Dwarfs. I might even allow War Hydras and just claim it as a captured mutant beast but don't have the beastmaster's with it, that sort of thing.
well about the dark riders and steeds they where stolen ellyrian horses but in shadow king when the main characters is being chased its sounds alot like the dark riders sooo maybe dark rider's with ellyrian horses? but yeah the books sounded really monster heavy so far 2 dragons, they did mention hydra's and other mutants being taken from the mountain soo hydra, manticore, griphons, wyverns.. but yeah in general it was a ton of infantry spears, swordsman, archers, mages, but maybe use witches... as slanneshi cultists just mod em up to give them some robes or what not..
Hmmm... I really need to get my hands on the Shadow King book. As soon as I'm done taking my test on Friday I'll go pick it up. Of course I hear there's some other big book I should pick up on Saturday the 10th...
I like the idea of using Ellyrian horses to model up 'early' dark riders. I'll hold out to see what the new Reavers coming out look like. Hopefully WE will get some new dark riders as well. I also really like the idea of witches as cultists too. Ok, now the gears are turning!
Ok, check it out...
I'm really starting to get excited about the idea of doing Malekith's army right at the turning point before he gets burned in the Flame of Asuryan. I do want this to be a legal army list, just to keep things simple when I play vs friend and stranger alike.
Malekith subverted elves from ALL over Ulthuan, so if you look at it in that light, he could have small groups of all different types of specialists.
As far as models go, what do you think of:
Chariots - regular Tiranoc Chariots with DE charioteers.
Cavalry - Silver Helm horses with Cold One Knights on them. (Just the knights, there will be no lizards riding horses.)
Foot Troops - DE Warriors with HE shields and bows, DE swords and spears. (I may use wood elf weapons here.)
Dark Riders - No idea as I dislike both the Ellyrian Reaver and Dark Rider models. Whatever they are, I agree that they should look like early Dark Riders on Ellyrian horses.
Shades - Shadow Warriors
Harpies - Furies or the old Daemonettes with Tyranid wings.
Witches as early pleasure Cultists - Witches with cloaks
Bolt Throwers - What do you think, HE or DE models?
Mages and Nobles - Not sure, there will probably be a lot of converting.
Malekith - Not sure what rules or model I could use to represent a young Malekith, I suspect the model will probably be custom.
Also, what were Malekiths colors back in the day? And what did the banner of Nagarythe of look like?
Thank you everyone. Your input has been great! I appreciate your help.
If i remember correctly the colors for naggaroth where black with gold... morathi had some purples and reds it tells you in the shadow king book so hope that helps a tad..
also a good idea is perhaps use the tyrion model i think there is one on foot not too sure but do some custom work to it and it should look amazing.
as for the bolt throwers i would probably use the DE models
the sorceress's & mages suprisingly enough seem to be exactly as they are currently albiet a little more clothed so maybe do that
all in all though sounds like an amazing idea.
though the conversions to do this would be intense. how many points where you thinking on doing?
Last edited by Galaeryn; July 3rd, 2010 at 15:40.
I'm of the thought that the new standard in 8th will be about 2500pts, so that's what I'm shooting for. Hopefully I'll be able to put up a new project log in my signature soon.
DE bolt throwers, check.
DE sorceress in robes, check.
Black and Gold, check.
Thanks for the input. I was pretty sure those were the colors, but I couldn't verify. Now, do you have any idea of the imagery on Malekith's banner? I'm drawing a compete blank on this one nNor have I been able to find anything.
Black & Gold Monkey
I mentioned this in the other thread, and you commented on it but I'll mention again here that for much of the period that you are describing, Malekith was still acting as the loyal servant to Bel-Shannar and was actively rooting out the DE cultists. Obviously, that was a ruse to set up the murder of Bel-Shannar and crown himself Phoenix King (which was the whole point, remember he expected to be accepted by Asuryan when he willing stepped into the Flame of Asuryan). I think Morathi was the public face of the Dark Elves at the period you are describing. So maybe her, Helleborn might still be there as well.