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ok I´m planning to start a brand new dark elf army and I almost dont know anything about them (exept the fact that they are really cool)
so i would appreciate all tips and suggestions for starting a dark elf army
First of all, you've made a good choice. Dark Elves are awesome-ness defined.
As for building an army, there are several ways of going about it.
I'd recommend building up Core units first of all, as you'll need plenty of Core under 8th Ed. In previous editions you could get away with minimal core, but not now (I know a guy who couldn't use his 2000pt DE army as he only had 3x10 units of Crossbowmen for Core, the other 1700 points were spent on a Lord and Knights).
When choosing what units you want in your army, there is nothing set in stone. You could go for massed ranks of Spearmen and Crossbowmen, hordes of Corsairs, small, swift units of Dark Riders, or massed units of Witch Elves (if Hellebron is your General).
You can go for an "I'll have one of each" approach, pick a theme (Corsair Raiding army, Cult of Khaine army, City Guard army etc...), or go for a competitive build.
I started off nearly 10 years ago with Malekith (first model I got, Christmas present), a unit of Spearmen, a unit of Crossbowmen, a Sorceress, 10 Executioners and a Bolt Thrower. This gave me a starting point from which to build on, adding more Spearmen and Crossbowmen, a new unit or character to bolster my army and make up for a weakness, or adding in something I liked. I went for the "one of each approach" (although I still have no Harpies or Dark Riders) and as a result my collection has now reached the stage where I can pick and choose what I take. I took the "one of each" approach because in the Army Book of the time they had "the Witch King's Invasion Force", which was a picture of an army with one of each unit, led by Malekith.
The thing is, no-one can tell you how to start an army. It's something you alone can choose, whether it's because a particular bit of background appeals to you, if you have a particular theme in mind, a particular model catches your eye or because you saw an awesome picture. All I can give you is advice based on my own experience. The rest is up to you.
The most important thing is to have fun and enjoy collecting your army.
Have a good one mate.
I'd agree with Ravenblade. DE have a lot of really cool options so it's not like some other armies, or 40k where you have 1 or 2 must have builds. I would recommend starting with the battalion box. It gives you a decent foundation for your core troops...then you can just add core boxes here and there depending on your budget. From there you can read up on your units and decide what special troops to go for. In terms of "must have" purchases. I would say start with a sorceress on foot. Do not go buy the one on a cold one....if she fails stupidity she can be out on her own. Also, you will probably want an assassin, since I find that in low point games they will out-perform close combat lords. The other must-have is a bolt thrower or two...but you can build these up as you go.
From there, my next purchase would be a box of warriors...but have a few games first to decide whether you want to fill out your spear, or x-bow guys.
ok thank you most of all, I relly want at least 1 unit of cold ones as i think the DE ones are awesome!! also i think i want a dreadlord/ master on a Cold one or perhaps a sorceress... I´m planning to start off with the battalion box and maybe I´ll hope to get a war hydra on my birth day since they are pretty xpensive... I have a rought tought against warmachines, but I haven tried any yet so i guess its time for that (been playing lizzies earlier so I´we only been concentrating on destroying warmachines lol.
I´ll keep this page updated as i add new stuff and maybe some pics.
what do u think about that??
Sounds like you are off to a great start. I'd advise you to field a sorc before a dreadlord/master...but hydras are amazing and will work just as well as a bolt thrower. Cok give you good armour penetration, so bolt throwers may not be as useful in your list.
now since i haven´t got time to even buy a army book, i´m not sura at this but isn´t it like this?:
masters and sorceresses are heroes while dreadlords and supreme Ss are lords
if i´m right about this, I can field one of the heroes and 1 of the lords at the same time in a low pts army (unless they´re too expensive in points...)
right?? //metallhead lol
Yep thats right enough, for example you could spend 250pts on Hero choices and 250 pts on Lords, however you'd have to spend 250pts on Core, and thats 3/4 of your army gone.
So it wouldn't be worth it. But thats the beauty of Fantasy over 40K, spending 1000pts on characters is nothing.
Keep the Sorceress' off the Cold Ones, Stupidity can ruin your Magic phase. Also keep them (Supreme Sorceress') off Black Dragons and Manticores, they are combat mounts after all, also they scream out "shoot me" to anyone with half a brain cell.
Cold One Knights are awesome. 7 wide seems to be the best way to run the, with C-2-C contact against 5 wide or larger they all get to attack (8 with a Champion). Larger units have the potential to do well but will attract everything the enemy has. I myself run a unit of 14 with Dreadlord/Malus Darkblade if I fancy something different.
All in all, looks like a good start your making.
ok so i just thought about put a supreme S. on foot in a black arc or warrior unit (or something like that...) and maybe a master/ dreadlord on a cold one and put him in a Cold one cavalry.
also I´d like to know what kind of warriors you guys would use for a smaller list, bowmen or spear units? or how would you combine them??
in my 3k lizardmen list i only have 10 chamo. skinks and 10 SSkinks to do my shooting. this is not much but it seems to be working so i dont think shooting is THAT important.
is it a good idea to maybe have one unit of bowmen and try to get spearmen for the rest?? ( and black arcs ofc)
Spearmen would be the better place to put a Supreme Sorceress/Sorceress. Spearmen make for a better guard, being a more defensive unit than Corsairs, plus they're cheaper to sacrifice than Corsairs.
I *always* take at least one unit of 35 Spearmen, run 5 wide and 7 deep, in games of any points with at least one unit of 10 Crossbowmen (unless it's my Cult of Khaine list, in which case I take 50 Witch Elves). The Spearmen unit sits in the middle of my battle-line waiting to receive a charge so that a unit like a Hydra, Chariot etc can flank them. If I run 10 man Crossbowmen units I use them to guard/hold my flanks, larger units set up on hills. As I said before, I always take at least 2 Bolt Throwers as well. I sometimes replace 10-strong Crossbowmen units with an extra Bolt Thrower.
I tend to take just enough shooting to whittle down the opponent a little before I reach his lines, I'll only take 8 Bolt Throwers if I can't be bothered to take anything else for 800pts, after all, whats wrong with having 48 S4 Armour Piercing/8 S6 Rank Piercing, Ignores Armour Saves, causes D3 Wounds shots?
In lower points though, usually a single unit of Crossbowmen (10-16) will do you fine.
Spearmen as "Anvil" unit, Crossbowmen providing covering fire/holding/guarding flanks. That sums up how I use them.
I also sometimes shift the Crossbowmen forward 5", maximising their range to 29", although this does mean hitting on 6s most of the time, but with 200-odd shots....plus it's found them in situations where they've charged into the flank of a bogged-down combat and won it for me.
ok that´s good to know... how about putting the SS in a horde of 45-50 warriors (probably 45) with spears?? add 16 corsairs, 6 Cold ones (including a master on cold one)
16 bowmen and eventually a warhydra. sounds good or bad??