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I've slowly been unpacking my collection that's been in storage for ~6 years now and trying to decide if certain armies are recoverable into 8th or should head to Ebay.
Any advice on how good/bad/head to Ebay on this set of models would be nice.
Character mounted on Dark Pegasus ( currently missing, but should be around somewhere)
Converted Lord with Executioners Axe
Dark Elf conversion from old Warhammer Quest Elf - also used as Corsair Champion
Dark Elf character holding sword
Male Dark Elf Sorceror
20 Old Metal Corsairs
16 Metal Spearelves spear old, no shields
48 Metal Repeating Crossbowmen
1x Metal Standard Bearer
1x Metal Muscian
18 Dark Elf Scouts
2 Repeater Bolt Throwers with 2 crew each
- Question Do these drop to only 2 woulds since they only have 2 crew or do would I need to model up 1 more to represent the 3rd wound this machince should have.
The above is fully painted, based, flocked, I did the army in 1 month from start to finish to play in a GW staff tournament back in 2000. I'm thinking that adding more spear elves is not an issue (if Its' even worth it, they never performed in any games) but the corsairs are markedly different than the current models so integrating them would be an issue.
The theme of the army was Dark Elf Raiding party. Kind of a mockery of the High Elf Seaguard.
I have another 2 unpainted Bolt Throwers, back in the day more than 2 was a composition hit against you. And some more unpainted Crossbowmen, but I suspect I have more than enough of those already.
*found more painted scouts, up to 18 total now
Last edited by Tepogue; October 31st, 2011 at 21:58.
Bolt Throwers are sadly down to 2 wounds now due to there being only 2 crew, however (despite what various people on web forums say...) they are still greatly useful. There is one big BUT though, for them to be really effective you need to have at least 3 in 2k or higher and at least 2 in lower points. Admittadly that is 300pts (you could nearly have 2 Hydras for that) you have to invest, but aim them at the right target and they'll earn their points back in no time (I used 4 at 2.4k and they destroyed a Cold One Knight Deathstar costing around 700pts in 2 turns).
You can't go wrong with 48 Crossbowmen, although it's up to you how you run them (I myself have 76 atm, 2x30 and 1x16). be sure and give them shields, for 12pts that 2x S3 Armour Piercing shots at range 24", a 5+ Armour save and a 6+ Parry save (ward save) in close combat (if you don't know already, hand weapon and shield give a 6+ parry in combat instead of +1 Armour). Spearmen are actually a very, very good investment, they are only 7pts with a shield, make good anvils (for elves) and are cheap enough to be happily sacrificed as either part of a tactical maneuver or for more Power Dice (Sorceress with Sacrificial Dagger).
If the character on Pegasus is male or female it could have 2 different functions. For a male, you could make it the "roadblock/nearly unkillable" Dreadlord. Give him the Pendant of Khaeleth, the Crown of Command, a 1+ Armour (either Armour of Darkness or equipment totalling 1+ armour) and a magic weapon/great weapon if points are there, then fly at a nasty enemy unit and pin it there with your Stubborn Ld10 Dreadlord (it's not the best tactic in the world but it does work). If it's a female then you can use it as a female version of above Dreadlord or as a Sorceress on Pegasus, who is pretty great, especially with Death or Dark magic.
18 Shades is quite a large amount, you could use 3 units of 6, but that might be a bit excessive. Shades are brilliant for general harassment/dealing with enemy war machines (I had 5 sitting in cover distracting Jezzails from shooting my Black Guard, only 1 died in 4 turns). Additional and weapons are the better option for them, light armour is usually negated on them and great weapons are too much of a risk, unless you've got more than 5 in the unit and are attacking Warmachines....charging them into units is not a good idea. If I give them great weapons I usually have an Assassin in there too just to lessen the hits at the Shades (if I'm attacking the flank/rear of a unit).
The Executioners Axe Dreadlord is one of my personal favourites. "Oh, you have a big nasty monster?" *swing* "Not any more...."
He is best put in a unit that has the Banner of Hag Graef (so that's Black Guard, unless you want to risk investing points on a BSB with it, which isn't a good idea), or you can stick him in a different unit and just not accept challenges against enemy characters, instead use him to take out nasty monsters attacking said unit (doesn't work as well as when he's going at I8 because Always Strike Last and Always Strike First cancel each other out).
As for out-dated models, who cares? They still do the same thing, plus some of the older models look pretty cool. It does look as though you could make a very interesting list out of that lot.
Thanks for the reply. I going to continue and try to develop this as an army then. I've been out of playing for ~5 years now so still playing catch up. I got my Skaven thanks to the IoB box set up to a decent army, but I always like to have 2 armies ready to play.
Questions for Dark elves.
Are BSB not used? My Skaven can't leave home without them, but the army lists on here rarely have them.
Am I reading the book correctly, that I would have to have a Witch Elf BSB to get the always strikes first banner into a unit of executioners?
Battle Standard Bearers are used now a lot more, although for me personally only in games of 2000pts or more, unless it's a tournament game.
Most players tend to make their Cauldron of Blood a BSB, to save on points, rather than having a BSB and a Cauldron.
BSB's, I've noticed, have only become more in demand due to the BSB rule changes in 8th ed. In 7th I barely saw or used BSBs, as they were just there to give you a really expensive banner that made your army better.
Yeah thats right, to get the Banner of Hag Graef into an Executioner unit you need a Death Hag BSB...and it really is a waste of points to be honest. Your Executioners go at I5 instead of last (ASF + ASL = Initiative Order), and your opponent will either snipe the BSB out of the unit or kill her when his troops get to go, T3, 2W and a 5+ ward isn't going to save much. Executioners don't need to be going at I5 or with ASF to be effective, you just have to use them differently. People have taken the same mentality with Great Weapons as they did with Cavalry: "Oh, they can't charge the front of a unit and win the combat immediately, well then they suck". In 8th edition you actually have to use them properly and think tactically, getting them stuck into the flanks/rear of an enemy where they can reap havoc on the enemy whilst taking less hits on themselves.