Unkillable Lord

[Dark Trainer]

Thanks for the tip, according to army builder he's 1+ on a cold one with or without the dragonhelm, so it's just to help against flame attacks is all? But with the reverse ward save isn't that enough? I guess if it's a low str flame attack...almost thinking I should get some more COK's Have 5 and dreadlord on COK right now...

And the Master 1+ armor is "armor of darkness"? And "Dawnstone" to reroll failed saves? Comes in at 134 points...not bad! I might have to get a couple of those, one for the blackguard and one for the spears...

[Vezzax]

I meant to say armour of darkness sorry the price I listed at 159 is because I use mine as my BSB 134 + 25 = 159. And yeah, that guy is pretty awesome. Opponent has to get something to bypass his armour otherwise you got another unkillable character Just remember that you cannot duplicate magic items so you can only have 1 guy with that setup.

Without dragonhelm the dreadlord has a 2+ save in close combat and a 1+ save against all other attacks (army builder might get confused because of the sea dragon cloak), I use dragonhelm to make him 1+ in all circumstances. The 2+ ward against flaming attacks is rarely needed, but metal magic will absolutely tear him to shreds if haven't got it...

[Dark Trainer]

I meant to say armour of darkness sorry the price I listed at 159 is because I use mine as my BSB 134 + 25 = 159. And yeah, that guy is pretty awesome. Opponent has to get something to bypass his armour otherwise you got another unkillable character Just remember that you cannot duplicate magic items so you can only have 1 guy with that setup.

Without dragonhelm the dreadlord has a 2+ save in close combat and a 1+ save against all other attacks (army builder might get confused because of the sea dragon cloak), I use dragonhelm to make him 1+ in all circumstances. The 2+ ward against flaming attacks is rarely needed, but metal magic will absolutely tear him to shreds if haven't got it...

Thanks again! Great tips!

Just clarification about the dragonhelm, 5+ for heavy armor, 4+ shield, 2+ cold one, and 1+ for cloak (0 for shooting) right? With whip he can have a shield still, but the great weapon he can't and DOES need the helm. I see now!!! Thanks!

[Karl Stahlfeld]

Just wondering, what is this 'reversed ward save' about? Is it a regeneration save?

[Dark Trainer]

Just wondering, what is this 'reversed ward save' about? Is it a regeneration save?

Reverse ward save says "Equal to or less than the Str value of the attack". This means if a S5 weapon strikes you, roll a 5 or less ward save, if a S6+ weapon strikes you 6 always fails, and if S3 strikes you roll a 3 or less, etc, etc. It's great when higher str bosses challenge you.

[Karl Stahlfeld]

what happens if there is no strength(spirit leech etc.)? Is there no reverse ward save then?

[Dread Majesty]

Thanks for the tip, I think I will give your unkillable lord build a shot.

[Andy Davies]

That is a pretty good build there. I need to check my book to see what/if I can build something great myself. I doubt it, but whateves.

[decinator25]

Ghoul King on TerrorGhiest Skabskrath curse of the revenant, beguile, aura of dark majesty. Double death Shriek yay.

[jparks]

I know this thread is old but someone brought it up and i noticed that some questions weren't answered. A lord with heavy armor, shield, riding a cold one with the dragonhelm is a 1+ save. Is for whatever reason, you are dead set on taking a great weapon and can't use a shield in close combat, adding a sea dragon cloak makes you 1+ VS everything. (sea dragon cloaks give +1 save vs combat and +2 vs shooting. so the sea dragon cloak can take the place of a shield but is otherwise unnecessary if you can use a shield and have the dragonhelm) The dragonhelm is mostly there for mages that use lore of metal as the attacks don't have actual strength values so your pretty Pendant is worthless against them. And to answer another question directly; no the pendant does not work vs any hit that doesn't have an actual strength value. Its in the FAQ. And to quash the dreams of anyone thinking they can easily wipe this build out, the only other combat lord that reliably kills him (my brother and I often pit this character against other combatty characters one on one) Is a bloodthirster, but he still holds the bloodthirster up for 3 or 4 turns normally, so in an actual game, you'd have plenty of time try and flank the deamon. After the bloodthirster the best bet would be a character with str 3 that had a weapon that ignores armor saves. However, most combat lords have at least a str 4. Really the best way to kill him is to target him with a spell that requires a characteristic test (especially toughness) or the model is slain. (Those tests allow no saves of any kind ward or otherwise.)