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Hi I've played with Lizardmen before and now I've choosed to start with Druchii.
First:What is the strengths and weaknesses of Dark Elves?
I know it needs a good Tactican but I aint so bad(I hope ^_^ ) and I have played a couple of battles with my Lizards.
Second:Which unit shall I start with?What is a good base?
Third:Any Paintingadvices?/What colours are coolest to use?
Fourth:Any basic advice about the Dark Elves,How to play with them/Which units who are most Point worth and so on.
I'm sorry because of that I didn't posted this thread in "Thinking of starting with Dark Elves" but I think it will start a big conversation and because of that I didn't posted it there.
Come on you experienced Druchii Generals and start talking cause I need the advise
"First:What is the strengths and weaknesses of Dark Elves?"
- First off, with a basic movement of 5 for their infantry they are quite mobile. Although it may not seem like a lot, the extra inch of movement (compared to most standard infantry moevement) is extremelly important. Most Druchii units are able to hit extremelly hard as well, with either a large number of attack or a number of powerful hits. Druchii leadership is also rather good on the whole, as well as WS and Initiative (though I isn't that important.) Druchii also have acess to a large number of monstrous creatures. Lastly, Druchii are able to compete in just aobut every phase in the game, and do it all pretty well. Though they'll never excell in any category (other than maybe movement), they will put on a good showing. They are usually a "jack of all trades" type army.
Their weaknesses include a Toughness of 3 for nearly every unit and hero (which is very low compared to all armies except other Elves) and a pretty low strength on average. Units are also pretty expensive as well, with very few (if any) "disposable units." While able to do a lot of damage on the charge, they usually do little if charged themselves. Lastly, their armour isn't especially great.
"Second:Which unit shall I start with?What is a good base?"
- I suggest that you get two units of plastic Dark Elf Warriors, then expand your army from there. Out of 32 Warriors, twenty should probably be equipped with Spears and Shields, while teh remaining 12 should have Rpt. Xbows and possibly shields. This should give you a good base, as well as a High model count.
"Third:Any Paintingadvices?/What colours are coolest to use?"
- I generally start off with a boltgun mteal undercoat for the armour (using the technique called "drybrushing"), then highlight it with chainmail. This makes it look much darker and mroe sinsiter than our weak cousins in their shiny breastplates and white robes. As for the cloth I rather like the purple color in the army book, but you should do whatever appeals to you.
"Fourth:Any basic advice about the Dark Elves,How to play with them/Which units who are most Point worth and so on."
- Dark Elves are one army that can be played in a variety of ways. You should pick what type of army you want (lots of magic, lots of infantry, lightning fast list, etc.) I find the Repeater Bolt Throwers are always agreat purchase, as are Dark Riders, which can do just about anything (and then some!) Lastly, both Corsairs and plain old Warriors do a good job as infantry. Most units in the DE list are pretty good (though oftentimes rather specialized) so you can't really go wrong.
Dice for the Dice God!
I think you need to consider what armies you will be playing the most, start your collection with troops aimed against those armies and expand and specialise later. Most importantly, lots of rptr xbows, as someone who plays against dark elves almost nightly I can tell you that they are awesome. Just 30mins ago I watch 16 rptr xbows kil 20 of my TK skellies at 9 inch range, I couldn't charge next turn so she reformed to add ranks to take the next charge, with light armour and hand weapons and shield they fight as well as spearmen.
You will also want Cold One Knights. And magic, lots o' magic. There is plenty on the forum about whether COKs are worth it so you should be well researched on them before your army is big enough to even consider buying them.
Lastly, if you are going to play lots of low toughness and low armour save type armies, witch elves should be considered very carefully, when playing TKs I fear them, rightly so, but as chaos I don't really have to worry, they are a very specialised unit.
Sounds fairly cut and dry to me.
There shall come a time,
When one who has the heart of a Kilrathi,
but is not Kilrathi born,
Shall rain cleansing fire down upon us,
and Kn'Thrak, a time of great darkness
Shall embrace us.
I'm thinking of an Sorceress because the Dark Magic seems Powerful.
Then I will buy a assasin or a Noble, who's the best guy?
I will make a fast list with much magic in and go for cavalry,I'm so tired of my slow lizards :lol:
So soon I'm gonna buy 1 regiment COK or Dark riders ,one more regiment of warriors
and 2 heroes, a assasin or noble and a Sorceress
sounds good or??
Please give me ideas to a fast magic list
Well the others got pretty much everything covered about DE.Originally Posted by Gar Loq
For painting though if you want to have a even darker tone of your army try not to use any metal colors, only use dark color and mix with skulwhite for highlights or drybrush. I did it with my army and I think it looks great! Then ofcause GW did the same with the manflayers so now it kinda look like I copied their theme ...
but anyway about your buy... if you gonna buy a sorceress... then mailorder one with a darksteed. With a mounted sorceress you'll never be out of range for your magics.
For a 500pts army a second character isn't that important... I'd rather buy a bolt thrower or two, they're awsome in all size battles.
Then concider some DarkRiders (1-2 smal regiments) after that a smal unit of COKs and after all that concider another sorceress and a noble. And now you'll probably be around 1000pts... good luck
Thank you for the advises,specially with the mounted sorceress.
And yes I have thinked about the bolt thrower and I will buy some soon I hope.
My bro plays HE and his bolt throwers are getting on my nerves.
And if I buy some dark riders what weapons do you suggest to give them?
Then I'm thinking of my noble in either the Dark riders regiment or in the COK unit.......
anyway about your paint techniqe, it sounds awesome :o , can't wait to test it :p
Np on the advices... don't even think of mounting a sorceress on a cold one though... yes fear seemes pretty good for only 26pts... but then you see how often you get stupidity and you're 1" too far away to cast for eg. Black horror... you just get mad and tear that cold one apart. So ALWAYS mount your sorceress on dark steeds.Originally Posted by Gar Loq
Hm... well you can't really give the DarkRiders any equipment except for the reapeater crossbows. I say give them the crossbows, but others say it's useless and costs too much. But why not use the benefits of fast cavalary and shooting? If you don't like the -1 penalty for multiple shoots then just shoot one bolt. With BS4 and BS5 you hit pretty good.
I'd advice on taking the noble in COKs, even if it means he'd get to be alone for a before you get your COK regiment. Well if you don't have enough money to buy another one when you get your COKs ofcause.
Yes that color scheme is awsome... make the armours look like it's forged from something evil, instead of the normal plain metal look.
So your bro plays HE?... hehe doesn't it just make you angry when you look in his armybook and finds out that everything is about the exact same as in the DE armybook... executioners - swordmasters, phoenix guards - Black guard, dragon princes - cold one knights, Dark riders - Ellyrian Reavers, Shadow Warriors - Scouts... but the only diffrence is that either their models cost less than DE conterpart or they're better... I mean Swordmasters have the exactly same thing as executioners but they get one more WS and they strike at initiative order and we strike last!? for what 2pts more/model!?... WTF!!! :mad: I can pay 2pts more/model for that! It'll make the executioners sooo much better than they're now... but because DE are evil and got a gothic look, we're far cooler than them and therefore we always win... bear that in mind... never ever loose to HE! We must bring pride to the elven race! :lol: hehehe
Last edited by zhaf; April 12th, 2005 at 00:07.
I know it can't be fair,They of their troops are as you say either cheaper or better.
But they're weaklings and we are the real honorable elves and must as you said bring pride to the elven race...That was one of the reasons that I started DE...and that we got Repeater crossbows was another.
But our magic is more powerful than their petty High magic.
And I shall claim what rightfully is ours and kill their little Phenix king..
Damn straight!Originally Posted by Gar Loq
Zhaf is right. Mount that sorceress on a cold one and the frustation will never end! Dark Steed is the way to go.
I posted a topic a while back, "How to use Cold Ones Correctly", which has got a lot of attention. From that I've learnt that a noble is better off in a unit of cold one knights than in a unit of dark riders.
When i started off with DE I bought 2 boxs of warriors and made a complete unit of spears and then a 12 strong unit of repeater xbow boys! It has worked pretty well so far.
You asked which is the better buy between a noble and a assassin. Well it has to be the noble, just because if you are starting out then he will be the general and in a smaller army is of a lot more use. Also he is, generally, harder to kill being able to pack magic weapons and armour and such.
High Pansies suck. Dark Elves rule. No doubt. No question.
And the Hate HE rule helps a bit.