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    [3000] Dwarves of Kazzad Dolvir

    with all the mass conversion and painting i've been doing its only fair i make a big list and start a new fluff hold!

    Dwarf lord Glorel Delsten (general)
    -Great weapon
    -Master rune of kragg the grim
    -Rune of cleaving
    -Rune of Fury
    -Shield bearers
    -Rune of stone
    -Master rune of challenge
    271 points

    Sporting the most effective rune weapon i could create Glorel's job is to use his master rune of challenge and his rockhard bodyguard to take on the meanest units in the enemy army and defeat/keep them busy for as long as possible so the rest of my army can crush any resistance.

    fairly generic character choices onwards.

    Thane Falent Dollyr
    -bsb
    -mro gromril
    -rune of striking
    125 points

    Master engineer Drokki Grungbad


    Runesmith Cohag Redforge
    -2X runes of spell breaking
    -Great weapon
    -Rune of stone
    129

    Runesmith Yurbir Durgak
    -master rune of balance
    -great weapon
    -rune of stone
    129

    core

    warriors 24 (rune smith)
    -full command
    -shields
    241

    warriors 24 (runesmith)
    -full command
    -shields
    241

    Quarrellers 10
    -Shields
    -Great weapons
    -Rangers
    150 points

    Kazzad Dolvir's spec ops dwarves. deployed either in a position to slow the enemy or as an extra unit in deployment (flankers deployed after everything else) the Dwarven SAS


    long beards 19 (bsb here)
    -shields
    -full command
    -master rune of grungi
    341 points

    sporting a ward save for nearby units, panic re-rolls and break test re-rolls these guys are my moral anchor holding the centre of my lines.


    special

    Hammerers 18 (dwarf lord)
    -Full command
    -shields
    264

    iron breakers 20
    -Full command
    -Rune of stoicism
    -Rune of battle
    340 points

    Rock hard RoadBlock of doom. a basic combat Res of 6 it will take quite a lot to break these guys in head on combat.

    Grudge thrower
    -Rune of accuracy
    -Rune of Reloading
    -Rune of Burning
    -Engineer
    115 points

    its accurate... its reliable... and it burns! sporting a blast template this thing is ideal for pounding on enemy units and monsters alike thanks to its high Strength and multiple wounds.



    Cannon
    -Rune of forging
    125 points

    after much thought and deliberation i've decided to go with the cannon rather than the bolt throwers. sporting S10 and being very accurate this thing is ideal for popping heavy armoured units and monsters. more so with drokki lending extra wound support.

    Rare

    gyrocopter

    march blocking and harrasment

    Flame cannon

    bbbbbuuuurrrrrnnnn kekekekekekee!


    Drokki Grungbads Cave Cutter
    (ogre ironguts X3 with champion)
    164 points

    a mechanical monster with a big punch. acts as a rapid responce unit/heavy duty flanker.

    comments and opinions are welcome



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    Here's my thoughts, although I hesitate to criticize my dwarven elders.

    Your Lord is rather vulnerable to those weapons which ignore armor saves, I always like to have a ward of some sort on my Lord for that reason. I think you have enough rune allocation to sport a couple runes of iron.

    A trick I use often is giving my runesmiths a sheild, hand weapon, and rune of stone, and having them in challenges against charging enemy, especially cavalry unit champions. They'll prevent the attacks from killing normal dwarves, which enhances the ability of your static CR to trump enemy kills.

    I like to combine the BSB, unit banner, and rune of battle in one unit where possible for massive static CR bonuses. This is typically my longbeards for me, but you could also go with the ironbreakers if you don't mind dilluting your morale unit into two units.

    I also think you might be a bit light on anti-magic for 3K, but I don't usually play at that level, so I don't have a good feel for how many mages people are likely to field.

    Do you have pictures of your cave-cutters posted now?

    Overall, you have a ton of CC units with very light shooting support IMO. I doubt you have enough shooting to lure your opponents in CC with you, and you only have the MR of challenge to help force them to engage. Especially with maneuverable lists (elves, beasts of chaos, etc.) I think you'll have trouble getting into CC.

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    bah. why would i post this list if i was not after suggestions!

    several very good points all round though i will be keeping my BSB with the longbeards. the reason behind this is that i personally feel that putting all my eggs in one basket is a somewhat risky and flawed tactic for dwarves. though its not a huge factor in dwarf armies units supporting eachother is critical in my opinion. as a result i use my longbeards to create a moral anchor for the centre of my lines. as a result any units next to or near by the longbeards gain advantages be it the re-rolls on panic tests and the 5+ ward against shooting or the re-rolls on break tests if they are not directly next to the unit. this gives a dwarven line a solid backbone protecting it better from assault.

    the idea behind this army was to be a somewhat more agressive one but in retrospect i can see it has some rather glareing flaws. as a result i've come up with a new list which i feel solves many of these problems (almost reversing the style of the army.)

    Dwarf lord (general)
    -Great weapon
    -Master rune of kragg the grim
    -Rune of cleaving
    -Rune of Fury
    -Shield bearers
    -Rune of stone
    -rune of iron X2
    -Master rune of challenge
    301 points

    Thane
    -BSB
    -Master rune of gromril
    -rune of cleaving
    -rune of fury
    150points

    Master engineer

    Runesmith
    -2X runes of spell breaking
    -Shield
    -Rune of stone
    127

    Runesmith
    -1X master rune of balance
    -Shield
    -rune of stone
    127 points

    core

    warriors 24 (runesmith)
    -full command
    -shields
    241 points

    warriors 24 (runesmith)
    -Rangers
    -full command
    -shields
    241 points

    long beards 19 (bsb here)
    -shields
    -full command
    -master rune of grungi
    341 points

    Quarrellers
    -Great weapons
    -Shields
    -Rangers
    150 points

    Thunderers 10
    Shields
    150 points

    Thunderers 10
    Shields
    150 points

    special

    Hammerers 18
    -Full command
    -shields
    264

    Grudge thrower
    -Rune of accuracy
    -Engineer
    115 points

    Cannon
    -Rune of forging
    125 points

    Rare

    gyrocopter

    Flame cannon

    Drokki Grungbads CaveCutter
    (3X ironguts with champion)
    164 points


    further comments are welcome and don't hold back you damnable beardlings!
    Last edited by Arklite; June 25th, 2007 at 21:20.


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    Two other thoughts:

    I don't remember the cost of runes offhand. Can you legally store as many runes on the bsb thane as you've got? I usually have fury, cleaving, and gromril, and that almost fills his allocation on my BSB.

    If you wanted the first list, with the larger number of elite dwarves, I think it would be better supported by an anvil Lord or a BSB with strollaz rune. With the current list, an anvil might help, but strollaz rune probably wouldn't.

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    ah! you have spotted a flaw! good. edits made accordingly.

    as for fielding an anvil the problem is where could i find the points? 323 points for a bog standard anvil after all :/


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    I've never used an anvil, but I think its capacities would pretty much remove the need for the gyrocopter. To add an anvil, I'd drop the gyro, and the runesmiths. You might also downgrade the Lord to a Thane. Then you'd have plenty of points to play around with.
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    an updated list

    Runelord
    -Anvil of doom
    -rune of stone
    -shield
    323 points

    Thane
    -BSB
    -Master rune of gromril
    -Rune of Striking
    125 points

    Thane (of pain)
    -Shield
    -rune of stone
    -master rune of swiftness
    -rune of cleaving
    -rune of fury
    142 points

    Master engineer

    Runesmith
    -2X runes of spell breaking
    -Shield
    -Rune of stone
    127

    core

    warriors 24 (runesmith)
    -full command
    -shields
    241 points

    warriors 25
    -full command
    -shields
    250 points

    long beards 19 (bsb here)
    -shields
    -full command
    -master rune of grungi
    341 points

    Quarrellers
    -Great weapons
    -Shields
    140 points

    Thunderers 10
    140 points

    Thunderers 10
    140 points

    special

    Hammerers 19
    -full command
    -rune of courage
    294 points

    Grudge thrower
    -Rune of accuracy
    -Engineer
    115 points

    Cannon
    -rune of forging
    125 points

    Rare

    Organ gun

    Flame cannon

    Drokki Grungbads CaveCutter
    (3X ironguts with champion)
    164 points


    a nice feature of this list i will note is that i can manipulate it with ease. the quarrellers and cannon can be swapped out for 2 bolt throwers (with engineer) and a unit of miners with no loss of points. can't argue with that ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arklite View Post
    warriors 25
    -Rangers
    -full command
    -shields
    250 points
    I think this unit would be 325 points. You have to buy great weapons to ranger-ize normal warriors, and then pay for the ranger upgrade on top of that. (Actually, looking back I shoulda caught this in the last list also).

    Runesmith+spellbreaking+Runelord+anvil strikes me as excessive antimagic. I think another two bolt throwers+engineers (maybe 1 with rune of burning, for good measure) would be a better use of the points for the runesmith. Don't you already have 7 DD even without him? Or are you playing lots of HE, undead, and Tzeentch lists?

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    a whoops! forgot to delete that after brainstorming.... edits made


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