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Reading the slayer entry in the codex has confused me a bit. Slayer ability allows you to increase strength up to toughness of enemy (6max). Does this mean that if I use slayer axes as 2 hand weapons I can hit at strength 6 with an extra attack against a T6 enemy? Why then would you ever chose to use the slayer axes as a great weapon, just to kill small things like T3 goblins?
Another question, when I upgrade slayers to veteran status (giant killers I believe) it appears I can do this for multiple models, does this mean they act as unit champions? (Can be challenged and such?) If thats not the case how does wound/dmg allocation work if I have a mix of troll and giant slayers? Can I take wounds on troll slayers, and strike back with the giant slayers? Seems kindof cheap...
Apologies if these are stupid questions, I'm still learning the ropes.
Thanks in advance!
When you fight T3 or 4, its nice to have the opportunity to take either weapons. Its really more a matter of what you like.
It dosent say they are champions and so are not. They ''just'' get better stats and another title.
If you have a 6 wide slayer unit, then you lose your troll slayers first, as you remove casualties from the back, and are able to hit with the giant slayers. It aint cheap. Its actually the point
And btw...we have armybooks, not codex'es
Thanks much for the response, wow 5 giant killers in the front rank o_O that would be crazy.
Yes army lists, my 40k creeped in there =P
The fact that your strenght is raised to the enemies toughness and that you have to option of choosing +1 attack or +2 str seemed kinda weird to me too. Why take a GW if your strenght is raised already? But it's handy if you really must kill something and don't want to rely on your ability to throw 4+ 's. Against T4 opponents with troll slayrs for example. If you face a T5 opponent, just go for another attack :p
In my limited experience it seems that the only thing to use great weapons against is T3. Against any other toughness its statistically better to use the extra attack.
sorry i just realized i necro posted
It aint THAT old, so I think the mods would say, alrighty then, to it.
I would say it more depends on what armour save the opponent have.
If you're fighting some pointy eared Swordmasters, with a lousy armour save of 5+, I would deffinetly use the extra attack.
But when Im fighting Cavalry, like Dragon Princes/Silverhelms, I'd rather use the great weapons, to give them some armour save modifiers.
But I guess its all up to personal preferences and the situation.
Arguably, almost NO champion upgrades explicitly say there are, other than being implied with the adjacent statline and the 'upgrade for X points' comment, both of which apply to giantslayers. I've always played them as such and nobody's commented so far, admittedly only in casual games however. There's nothing too strange about having a unit of champions, look at eg Grail Knights.It doesn't say they are champions and so are not.
Oh, and the great weapon option is mainly there for the S4 slayers, as everyone else has already noted the doubling of attacks is almost always better for trollslayers.
i've always considered the great weapons there for cracking open knights.
i find this general plan works...
low T low armour - 2X hand weapons
low T high armour - great weapons
high T - 2X hand weapons
hope this helps
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and were fighting to the front you would loose giants first.
if you were fighting to the rear you would loose troll.
if you got flanked you could choose.
the only reason we remove models from the back is as an ease, as new models step forward to fill up empty spots. well if i hit a Giant slayer and kill him i don't see a troll slayer in the back rank dieing. no that giant slayer dies then the troll steps up to replace him. having more then 2 or 3 giant slayers or less then an entire unit is a waste of the points.
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