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hi. to day i played what i think is my final game. I dont have many ppl too play whit just en old frend and my brother. The thing is we have all the armys and all gaming scenery at me frends place , we got no ather place too bee and im getting so frustrated too play whitt him cos he never plays for fun only for winning , every time i play him i lose ( or atlest 90 % of the time ) like to day i played him He used hes Empire and in a 3000 p game he used .
4 wizards and 2 priests 2 units of 30 swordsmen and 30 greatswords . 2 cannons 1 wollygun 1 steamtank and 20 handgunners and 10 crossbomen's .
And i whas dead befor i got into close combut.
What shall i doo ? i love the game its fun but i realy dont like to play him .Have no ather to play whit and no ather place too bee. Shall i pack my stuff and never play agen or?
And you can just imagen how he playes whit hes Undead. i have deamons , worriors and dwarfs.
My only real advice is to ask people here for a really good list for one of the armies you have and stick to that and get good with it. What for instance did you take in your dwarves Vs his empire?
My first starting point would be an anvil. The fact that it cant be dispelled as its in the shooting phase makes it amazing and means that with the Rune lord your getting 7 dispel dice standard, (4 for turn up, 2 for Rune lord, 1 for anvil). And if you allow special characters for the love of god take thorek iron brow.
Following that if he uses large blocks of troops a grudge thrower with a few runes on it to help reroll scatter/misfire, and a master engineer for the other. It is a highly under taken war machine sine most armies have been going small elite and cavalry styles, but considering you hit a maximum of 19 empire size models with a direct hit (as per the BRB says), no armour saves, d6 wounds, and with the potential to re-roll both dice. You can even give it +1 Strength so its Strength 5 on the outside so wouning most of his stuff on 2s. Once the new rule book comes out as well which will not have partials for template weapons (guessing from looking at recent army books) this monster war machine is gona come back in a big way.
Cannons you should look at sniping lone characters, the steam tank as he will get no armour save doing d3 wounds to it, and targetting his war machines to kill them off before they can kill you. Once the Steam tank starts tanking wounds, even just 1, chances are he will get greedy and kill it off himself, or it will become near useless for a good part of the game. First turn i sugest at least a cannon ball at this.
Miners work exceptionaly well against empire armies like this so you must have them. Bring them on behind either a unit or war machine you hate, and in the same turn anvil them into it. they will also mash through empire crossbow and handgunner units if you dont wait about. if he has lone characters about the place give them blasting charges aswell. Starts to get expensive but the oppertunity to drop D6 Strength 6 hits on a single model is worth every point.
As for warriors your almost certainly looking at alot of Tzeentch Sorcerers and Sorcerer Lords on discs, hoping to infernal gateway his mane units. Fast moving units also are the way to go with Warriors at the moment, with horsemen with khorne and flails leading the way for chaos knights, (bery good agasint vampires as it limits his rasing time and increases your dispell dice).
Daemons...Cheap blood thirster, skull taker, 2 Tzeentch heralds with the gift of know spells from another law (law of shadow is best to use Steed of Shadow on skulltaker from a horror unit into an enemy for quick kills, 3 units of horrors, 3-4 units of hounds (use red painted chaos hounds or somthing rather than bankrupt yourself on the metal modles), then maybe some flamers if you have the points, thats a standard 2k Tournement style list for daemons.
Last edited by saltrock36; December 19th, 2009 at 09:18.
It's quite simple, you fight firepower with firepower (and miners) If you take a lot of miners and get him from the back just take 3 units of 20 miners with blasting charges and smash him. I just hate shooting armies so much.. Also remind to bring the anvil you need to move. The only strong unit he actually has is the steamtank and maybe the greatswords but with your anvil you could give lots of damage to him.