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On saturday I had a huge game vs 4000 Warriors of Chaos. One guy had a cavalery army where everything he had were mounted on horses. I deployed at the oposite edge, and had my artillery (organ gun, a Bolt thrower and a grudge tower + empire mortar) Hidden inside, and besides a forest. My enemy, having two squads of marauders on horse, used them as shields. I know alot of tactics uses shielding and the like, but this was a new tactic for me. (ive just played 2 games over 1000) The way he used them: He rode as fast as possible infront of my shooty units (espessialy the organ gun!) and streched then thin, with 1file x rest in rank. To explain it better, he rode sideways. With 2 units overlapping! That way I had to shoot down his 2 units of marauders before even getting to target the juicy knights. I was there to have fun anyways, so I just remarked "oh what a dirty tactic..." and shot that screen to pieces with crossbows, thunderers and some help from my assisting Empire ally. I barely managed to get a shot at his knights in the third round of shooting (we had the first round) just befor the massive assault. To my happyness, the bolt thrower with RoPenetrating got a really nice sideshot and together with the organ gun took down most of his units.
This way of riding sideways, is it a dirty trick or just me and my lack of experience?
Oh, and another dirty tric they did... avoid all my dwarf units with fast units. They went for the wimpy empire.. 4000 points of WoC going straigt for 2000 Empire... ouch. Next time ill deploy in front of Empire, so they will have to get through me first! (out of 2000 points, I actually only lost one Warmachine, and a few dwarfs because of a huge "BOMB" spell. Every unit inside some range (18"?) had to take D6 str D6 hits or something. cast with irresistable force... goddamn. We still pulled out a draw, even doh the empire lost everything exept his mortar and 10 man squad of handgunners =D
hmm expensive screens, he could have used dogs instead
Exactly. I did shoot down his screen and I did get to slaughter the knights anyways, so it was a kind of wasted tactic. We talked about it, if it was cheesy or what. Maby he could have a better result just charging the warmachines. And we laughed at him for taking marauders when he have loads of dogs laying at home. Next game I will surely see This screening tactic more. so ill spread out my machines. Anyways, I did shoot him, and we decimated his army. But the tactics, is it dirty? I remember playing 40k when people drove up units of Warbuggies (good old speedfreaks tactics) and put them sideways to cover most with them. I cannot see the way it is done in a real battle, either the buggy or riding sideways.
We are just playing for fun anyways, so I didnt get so much into it.
No it is not. Usually more dangerous things are screened by lesser things. Some players put cannon fodder in front of thier Frenzy units to prevent them to be kitted away. Some empire players put detachments in front of thier state troops (skaven slaves!). the dogs are usually put at this way to protect their, scarier friends. And it is used in real life, mostly for cavalries they are hidden in some Rock or hill or behind some other infantry units, used as shock troops. Or flaggelllant type of units are sent to face enemies before hand to distrub the enemy lines or demoralize them. (Like First Crusades etc.)
sure screening is used alot.. but I mean, riding sideways towards you? Its not a huge problem. just looks weird of the battlefield.
How exactly did he move sideways whilst moving forwards?
He must have been moving very slowly.
The Land, The Lady, The Light.
Marauder Horsemen are, IIRC, fast cavalry and can therefor turn in any direction, without any movement penalty.So he is not really moving ''sideways''.
Here is an illustration of the light cavalery "riding sideways"
1. At the deployment, and move forward
2. When they reached their full movement, spread out thin to block as much line of sight as possible.
3. Reform into previous rank, redo step 1 and 2: ride froward and spread out again (light cavalery can freely reform as described above)
4. Nice long line to block any shoting units.
So looking at number 3 and 4, he basicly is riding sideways.
He did this with 2 units, probably 5-6 of them. As I said, i killed them with light shooting, enough to see through and shot with my warmachines. But yeah. kind of weird tactics if you ask me. Anyways, no need to argue whats nice played or not. We all did wrong things in these games, but we had fun anyways.
I have to ask, did you have a hill on your side of the field? It would've made things a lot easier. Just shoot over them.
Or cannons, ah, how much fun is it to "over-guess" to hit stuff behind :-D
This once happened to an opponent of mine. He had his steamtank advancing across the field, and had it behind a forest out of sight from my cannon. He also had some skirmish archers in that forest that I could see, and a few of those archers happened to be in a line with the steamtank behind the forest. me: "o, look there are some archers, I'll shoot a cannonball at that one * points * , let's say 16". Aw, it overshot the archer, but look, there is a steamtank behind it!"
I think I did 2 - 3 wounds
Btw, where did you get that picture?
we concluded that overshooting on purpose is not so nice to do. And I completly agree. We discussed gameplay after the battle, and we found out some "houserules" for more fun gameplay.But nicely done on the steamtank =D
We did not know how to pick out different terrain, so we rolled a dice for mow many (6) and another roll 1-3 forest 4-6 hill. We had 5 forests and 1 house (because we had one) deployed spread out around the board. I made all the rolls, so pretty bad rolling.. Both me and the empire dude hoped for hills. haha!
The picture is made by me. Did it in a coupple of minutes with my wacom board.