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Salamander · November 10th, 2003, 05:32

do u need a seer coucil in USF? is one mandatory like in ulthwe?

Saruman_II · November 10th, 2003, 08:02

im pretty sure it is... otherwise it woudn't be ulthwe, would it?

Squirrel · November 10th, 2003, 08:02

No, you can use either a Seer Council or Spear of Khaine, or Maugan Ra, or some combination of them...Now that that's answered I think we should really discuss this daemonhunters problem. Supposedly, they can kick our asses really easily. Whether or not thisis true I will not attempt to discuss unless you guys want to. What I do want to discuss is how to beat them. I think that the key is knowing them, which I don't. Perhaps someone could explain what units and weapons of theirs are liable to roll over our psykers, which are, in fact, our biggest assets. Well...they're supposed to be, anyways.

Long_Shot · November 11th, 2003, 01:19

No, Seer Council is mandatory I'm pretty sure.

And you wanna go against daemonhunters? Would you prefer cremation, or the normal burial?

No, seriously. The only unit that can't take a weapon that cuts out invulnerable saves is Inquisitorial Stormtroopers I think? Or maybe they can. Don't have my codex handy.

Daemonhunters are ANTI-PSYKER. Eldar are psykers. Your best bet is to try to pick 'em off with heavy weapons from a big distance, and load the webway with dark reapers that can shoot them. Open the wraithgate far away and shoot, then pray that you get past the power armour, and Shrouding.

Best strategy you're gonna' get. Also, for the LOVE OF GOD DON'T TRY CLOSE COMBAT!!

And have you bought the neccesary codexes yet?

Salamander · November 11th, 2003, 01:37

ok so today i played aginst a vanilla marines with deamonhunter allies. he deep struck a squad of grey knights in back of my seer council. well half of it was gone after wards. i had a plan howeve that should really work against the deep strike.

wat u do is surround yur seer coucil with squads. well wat i did was deploy my seer ocucil on the side edge of the board. then put a wave serpent with banshees in it, behind them and a guardian squad near that area. since u know where he is going to deep stirke neer seer coucil.) then when he does, he has a REAL good chance of either going off the board or landing near or in your squads. he CANNOT land within 1" of yur squad. so if he can only fit 3 grey knights in then the others are destroyed. make him work for that eldar eatin psycannon/incinerator

or you could deploy the coucil at the board edge. and squads near it like this

X X guardians or other units
SC seer coucil
---------- board edge

then you can sit and shoot them as they come closer.

Squirrel · November 11th, 2003, 03:40

I actually still have to get the codex. I have seen a few USF armies on other boards that use the Spear of Khaine as its HQ instead of a seer council, and they were deemed reliable...thanks for the DH help...I guess this is as prepared as I'm gonna be...

Salamander · November 11th, 2003, 05:59

the thing is tho, that u need a farseer as an hq, but ulthwe or strike force cant ahve a regular farseer, they need a seer coucil. so spear of khaine is for higher pt games where u can fit a seer coucil and a spear of khain in.

Mr Shadow · November 11th, 2003, 12:29

Ba........spear of kain nothing..............feel my grimore of true names deamon!

Salamander · November 11th, 2003, 15:57

yeah everybody has ws and in 5, wounds on 2's and 4 heavy flamers. thats onyl 5 guys. then add in the avatar with ini 7...yeah that sux

Squirrel · November 11th, 2003, 19:10

Somebody's forgetting Enhance. That stuff will jack up your WS and Init by 1 each every time you use it. I think that's pretty freakin' amazing. And Mr Shadow, learn how to type the letter "h". It'll let everyone who wants to read your spew have an easier time reading it.

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November 10th, 2003, 08:02	#12 (permalink)
Saruman_II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Abyss Posts: 438 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 75	im pretty sure it is... otherwise it woudn't be ulthwe, would it? __________________ FROM THE BOOK OF THE IMPERIUM: 1. Thou shalt not go on a panty raid in the Adaptus Soritus temple. 2. Thou shalt not flirt with Howling Banshees. They are the enemy. 3. Thou shalt not refer to Battle Sisters as Bolter Biatches 4. Darth Vader isn’t the son of Abaddon 5. Thou shalt not reassemble a Necron into a washing machine

November 10th, 2003, 08:02	#13 (permalink)
Squirrel Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California, USA Posts: 818 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 77	No, you can use either a Seer Council or Spear of Khaine, or Maugan Ra, or some combination of them...Now that that's answered I think we should really discuss this daemonhunters problem. Supposedly, they can kick our asses really easily. Whether or not thisis true I will not attempt to discuss unless you guys want to. What I do want to discuss is how to beat them. I think that the key is knowing them, which I don't. Perhaps someone could explain what units and weapons of theirs are liable to roll over our psykers, which are, in fact, our biggest assets. Well...they're supposed to be, anyways. __________________ OMFG1337!!!!111one

November 11th, 2003, 01:19	#14 (permalink)
Long_Shot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 425 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 75	No, Seer Council is mandatory I'm pretty sure. And you wanna go against daemonhunters? Would you prefer cremation, or the normal burial? No, seriously. The only unit that can't take a weapon that cuts out invulnerable saves is Inquisitorial Stormtroopers I think? Or maybe they can. Don't have my codex handy. Daemonhunters are ANTI-PSYKER. Eldar are psykers. Your best bet is to try to pick 'em off with heavy weapons from a big distance, and load the webway with dark reapers that can shoot them. Open the wraithgate far away and shoot, then pray that you get past the power armour, and Shrouding. Best strategy you're gonna' get. Also, for the LOVE OF GOD DON'T TRY CLOSE COMBAT!! And have you bought the neccesary codexes yet? __________________ If a tree falls in the forest, and it lands on a mime, does anyone care?

November 11th, 2003, 01:37	#15 (permalink)
Salamander LO Zealot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: western MA, USA Posts: 1,166 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 79	ok so today i played aginst a vanilla marines with deamonhunter allies. he deep struck a squad of grey knights in back of my seer council. well half of it was gone after wards. i had a plan howeve that should really work against the deep strike. wat u do is surround yur seer coucil with squads. well wat i did was deploy my seer ocucil on the side edge of the board. then put a wave serpent with banshees in it, behind them and a guardian squad near that area. since u know where he is going to deep stirke neer seer coucil.) then when he does, he has a REAL good chance of either going off the board or landing near or in your squads. he CANNOT land within 1" of yur squad. so if he can only fit 3 grey knights in then the others are destroyed. make him work for that eldar eatin psycannon/incinerator or you could deploy the coucil at the board edge. and squads near it like this X X guardians or other units SC seer coucil ---------- board edge then you can sit and shoot them as they come closer. __________________ <insert witty remark here>

November 11th, 2003, 03:40	#16 (permalink)
Squirrel Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California, USA Posts: 818 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 77	I actually still have to get the codex. I have seen a few USF armies on other boards that use the Spear of Khaine as its HQ instead of a seer council, and they were deemed reliable...thanks for the DH help...I guess this is as prepared as I'm gonna be... __________________ OMFG1337!!!!111one

November 11th, 2003, 05:59	#17 (permalink)
Salamander LO Zealot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: western MA, USA Posts: 1,166 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 79	the thing is tho, that u need a farseer as an hq, but ulthwe or strike force cant ahve a regular farseer, they need a seer coucil. so spear of khaine is for higher pt games where u can fit a seer coucil and a spear of khain in. __________________ <insert witty remark here>

November 11th, 2003, 12:29	#18 (permalink)
Mr Shadow Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wales Age: 26 Posts: 372 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 77	Ba........spear of kain nothing..............feel my grimore of true names deamon! __________________ A Rhino? SLOTH!

November 11th, 2003, 15:57	#19 (permalink)
Salamander LO Zealot Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: western MA, USA Posts: 1,166 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 79	yeah everybody has ws and in 5, wounds on 2's and 4 heavy flamers. thats onyl 5 guys. then add in the avatar with ini 7...yeah that sux __________________ <insert witty remark here>

November 11th, 2003, 19:10	#20 (permalink)
Squirrel Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: California, USA Posts: 818 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 77	Somebody's forgetting Enhance. That stuff will jack up your WS and Init by 1 each every time you use it. I think that's pretty freakin' amazing. And Mr Shadow, learn how to type the letter "h". It'll let everyone who wants to read your spew have an easier time reading it. __________________ OMFG1337!!!!111one

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