The Aliatoc Discussion Thread

[Heretic]

Originally posted by Moonsinger@Nov 23 2004, 042
*sigh* Sure Three wraithlords, people are going to hate you.


um... I would take away one wraithlord and add in more rangers.

Though I am mostly an Vanilla Eldar player I can play Alaitoc to.

Alaitoc is way cool and I just love their Craftworld symbol ^_^

/Cheers

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nothing against you but why do you not like people having 3 wraithlords? i have 3 wraithlords in my ulthwe, and ill be honest they do nothing but attract firepower away from the units that do most of the damage (which is great!) and use their BS 4 weapons to pick of tanks (most people give them brightlances) also their great as a scare tactic, just stick one of them near a few pathfinders/rangers and people will naturally think that they will die as soon as the wraithlord assaults them, which is kind of true though they arnt the best in combat (if they were WS5 they would be)

[Nebulas]

What's their symbol look like? I'm curious. I don't think I've ever seen it.

It's a sword piercing a semi-circle.

Kinda like this.

[eldar ranger]

Originally posted by Heretic@Nov 23 2004, 16:20
i know the feeling. you should come down to warrington store have a right good time (with us beardy players)

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May I just ask where warrington is on a map. I may come down there one day just to have a couple of battles with different opponents than usual.

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by Heretic@Nov 23 2004, 17:31
nothing against you but why do you not like people having 3 wraithlords? i have 3 wraithlords in my ulthwe, and ill be honest they do nothing but attract firepower away from the units that do most of the damage (which is great!) and use their BS 4 weapons to pick of tanks (most people give them brightlances) also their great as a scare tactic, just stick one of them near a few pathfinders/rangers and people will naturally think that they will die as soon as the wraithlord assaults them, which is kind of true though they arnt the best in combat (if they were WS5 they would be)

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Well, when an Eldar player use 3 wraithlords, the others tend to whine.

Whine--> more whineing--> saying bad stuff--> gets irritated--> Not a good opponent..

and that all sums up to that you will face allot of people that will shout Cheese head and other strange word that people come up with.

Plus that some people just hate Alaitoc special rules, the ranger disruption chart you know, so they will even more acuse you for a cheater.

2 Wraithlords are fine, 3 are steping over as you could have used those 120 point to something else
Eldar got LOTS of heavy support, and spending all three choices on 3 stuff is very unfluffy.
Show the Heros of Old some respect you know

/Cheers

[tanglethorn]

It's not really a matter of just adding 3 WraithLords. You can basically do this with any army. With Tyranids it's the equivalent of multiple winged Tyrants. I'm sure there are ways to cheese out space marines as well. Again every army has it's ways. I'm not discouraging this kind of gameplay. It's allowed and it's legal. The only consequences are having people refuse to play your army.

[Bosco]

A lot of the people crying cheese about someone using nothing but rangers/pathfinders, 3 wraithlords, or both is often because these are examples of someone taking the very best aspects of an army without taking any of the average or weaker troops. Whille people tend to shy away from troops they consider ineffective, there should always be a presence of "normal" troops in a list which is expected to be even remotely sportsman like. Alaitoc Eldar players are unfortunately often too tempted to create "powergamer" lists which take unfair advantage of their armies special rules in order to give the player the maximum chance of winning the game.
Are these armies fun to play against? No.
Are they hard lists to come up with? No.
Are they hard to play? No.
Are they for people who are willing to undertake any sort of a challenge and have to actually use an adaptable strategy to achieve victory with a well rounded, adaptable force?

No.

I have played my eldar as Alaitoc Eldar in a 1250 tournament and I am happy to say I fielded 3 units of 3 rangers, 0 pathfinders, and a single Wraithlord in my list. My army list was actually more vanilla than it was Alaitoc. I ended up winning just as many games as I lost, but walked away from the tournament knowing that I had broke even with a list that some considered weak for its craftworld type.

As I have said before, any Alaitoc player who fields nothing but rangers/pathfinders deserves a lifetime of opentopped transport assault armies and armored company opponents.

All that aside, anyone notice that its ironic that one of the best ways to overcome a wraithlord is...rangers and pathfinders?

[Kirasu]

heh you can play alaitoc without even having an army.. I think its stupid to even think you're going to have fun playing with 11 ranger squads. While i don't bitch about cheesy armies, I just don't see many people wanting to play this

With 11 rolls you can basically say the entire opposing army isn't showing up or will be pinned, which imo is a bit overpowered. But then again GW doesn't test everything. However if I were going to do a tournament with known *****s i'd definatly do the 11 ranger units, however I would also throw in 10 man scorpion squad and 10 man warp spider + 1 wraithlord and an avatar

[tanglethorn]

Well, I've already comitted to an Alaitoc army and I have most of the models. The good thing is that I'm sticking to Ranger fluff as I have said before. That means I'm taking a decnt amount of rangers, but not anywhere near the max. I'm also using 1 unit of Pathfinders. After that I have an army list of scorpions, spiders and hawks with a large squad of Guardian Defenders with a Warlock. I like fielding a lot of troops and I like the color scheme of the Alaitoc. With my current setup I get 5 rolls on the Disruption chart. Hopefully this will make it easier for my scorps to get into the battl. Then I can deepstrike my hawks and phase my spiders in and out. I believe I still have room for a Falcon which I still have in the box. Now that I think about it I need more bigger guns. Maybe I'll get a platform and throw it in with the gaurdians.

[SA_taralekomus]

dude the army that i played wit against a chaos army was funny. i had 4 units of 3 ranger, 2 units of 3 rangers, 1 falcon, 1 wraithlord,1 farseer,2 squads of 6 gaerdians in each.

I was able to kill of like nearly all of his army before the game started!!!
Alatoic arent invicible......CC killed my guys so fast it wasnt even funny

[PCB Wizard]

Aliatoc are amazing whether you take 11 squads of rangers, 3 wraithlord, whatever, etc.
My friend often only takes 3 squads of rangers and has only one wraithlord in his 5000 point army and he still always wins. Always!
He has lost once in about 9 months and plays at least once a week.
This is not something I am proud of, although I inflicted 2 of his last 3 loses.
(we'll just have to forget about our last few battles:unsure

Seriously though, I think Aliatoc are to good (easy for me to say as I don't play them), so hopefully GW will modify their rules in the future.