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I am still kinda new to the WHFB and still new to Empire. When using the Templar Grand Master are you only allowed to use the 4 different Knightly Orders described in the Army Book or are you allowed to make your own Knightly Order?
Would like any input that you guys/gals could give me.
You certainly can make up your own one if you want. In fact, I think the rule that TGMs have to be from the same Order as at least one unit of Knights is a little redundant, especially if you an your opponent are OK with the Counts As rule.
well, since there isn't really any rules difference between knightly orders, I wouldn't see a problem with making up your own...
--Famous last words of Asmodean
You certainly can make up your own knightly order if you wish.
Really if you wanted you could have Sir Blinky Bill leading the Order of the Kuddly Koala Bears if you really wanted and paint them green and gold. It matters not.
If my opponent disagrees with me using Kurt Helborgs rules as a Count As, i simply refer to his lance-armed knights as Generic Reiksguard.
I have my own which i named Knights of the Brazen Hammer (obvously with great weapons) which accompany my mounted Valten III model into battle. They are used as Valten's personal retinue of guards.
In progress of trying to make a unit of Greatswords equipped with Greathammers instead of swords for my Valten III on foot bodyguard/retinue.
Hope this info helps ya
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thanks guys... really i just wanted to go with my own color scheme and use the grand master to try him out....... I am probably just going to end up using the AL.
As long as they conform to the rule set and point costs detailed in the sourcebook, there is absolutely no problem whatsoever in creating your own order of Knights to use in the game. You need to make clear which Order you are basing them off, for example, if you did the unit armed with great weapons, then you have to dictate that you are using the White Wolf Knight's stat line for point purposes.
I do see how there might be a problem if you take the White Wolf Knight stat line for a unit armed with Great Axes and then want to put a Warrior Priest (assuming they are still bound by that rule where they can't join non-sigmar worshippers). That is an obvious handicap between the White Wolf knights and other knights if they can't have a Warrior Priest with them.
You can give any unit of knights you want hammers without having to play them as White Wolves. So no different stats.
In 6th Edition, I remember this one guy got permission from our gaming group to field the "Knights of the Green Dragon". they were statted under Knight Panthers stats. Their main differing feature was that their Grand Master was stated as an Elector count, but could ride a Green Dragon into battle. Had some story where whenever the Grand master of the order died, the Green Dragon would choose one from the Inner Circle to become his new rider, and thus, the new Grand Master.
Don't really know why, but that gaming group I used to be with was generally fairly liberal with trying out new home-made rules.