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hey guys along time ago I inherited a empire army for dirt cheap and I have been playing high elves for a very long time now but they are starting to bore me. I love the rules and the models for the empire and particularly greatswords and was wondering if they have a place in a competitive empire gunline army and if so how do you guys tend to field them?
our gaming group has a huge 10,000 point battle coming up this weekend 2v2 so 5k a piece and I was considering running a group of 20+ greatswords with a config that looked something like this:
valor (using karl franz also)
armor of meteoric iron
I dont really have any idea on how to make greatswords a powerhouse unit or even if they can be so any help would be appreciated.
I have a gunline army with a block of swordsmen and a block of greatswords, they are good, but you have to have the charge with them: the low Empire stats + strike last do not a good defensive unit make.
I kindly have to disagree with Zema. I use a 20 men greatswords unit as well in my army and they are made to take the charge and hold their ground. For this stubborn is really good especially combined with the icon of magnus (a must in my opinion). In the long run you might not win the combat, but the unit will be tied up a long time. Giving you time to smack into the enemies flank with a unit that will make you win the combat.
The banner of valor is an oke addition I think, but I personally prefer the standard of arcane warding.
I think that in the unit you propose the BSB with Griffon Standard is overkill however. I'd rather have this guy in a big unit of swordsmen (25) to make my second defensive unit. The greatsword are stubborn (don't care about the combar result penalty). The swordsmen however do and can usually really use the additional +3 CR. Just make sure the BSB is within 12" of the greatswords. In the unfortunate event the stubborn break test is failed you can re-roll.
well, if you mean gunline in having an empire army that generally stays back, lets the enemy come to them and blasts away with war machines, handgunners, crossbows, and such, then yes your great swords can be a big difference maker, if you have them in a position where the bulk of the enemy attack is going to hit them first. If you are using your detachments properly, it should make all the difference having Great Swords in them.
Remember that it pays to have parent units to give detachment units to. In a gunline army, you can run those 20 Greatswords with two, 10-man hangunner detachments and still get off some nasty shooting. If anything, it makes your gunline even more effective since it gives everybody a stand and shoot. Of course, if you're a cheesehead like me, you can give handgunner regiments handgunner detachments, and watch your opponent cringe when you hit him with 40 S&S shots from a hilltop.
Unit = vaped.
Greatswords are not bad perse, but like everything Empire, they are just very much mediocre.
if you run greatswords, watch out for fear.
--Famous last words of Asmodean