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After 12 years i thought of starting building and painting a WFB empire army.
And as army theme i thought of using the lost knight order Red shields.
My question now is if there is anywhere i can find out abit more about the orders history as for now all i know is that they disapeard after the chaos invation.
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Welcome to the forums and to the game diMarko! Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything on the usual sites. This is all that I can offer you:
The Red Shields were originally the personal bodyguards of the Elector Count of Talabecland until they, and the reigning count Helmut Feuerbach, disappeared at the end of the Storm of Chaos. Although no official warrant of death has been released, the nobility of Talabecland is already fighting amongst themselves to establish who will gain control of the realm.
Feuerbach gained his position as Elector in 2515, when the previous elector was found guilty of starting a war against Middenland. As Feuerbach was the more senior in the line of succession who had not participated in the war, the station was given to him.
That comes from the Storm of Chaos campaign, fought way back in 6th edition. Most of the records of the event have been expunged in the GW books, strangely moving the game's timeline backwards to just before the campaign was fought. This probably has a lot to do with the actual outcome of the campaign, which was subject to several accounts of cheating and falsification, as well as a serious bolster from Games Workshop, after one side gained dominance early on and would have ended the campaign if these victories had been represented in whole.
The 'Empire in Flames' Warhammer Roleplay supplement is placed so that it occurs 20 years after the Storm of Chaos, when Karl Franz is old and dying. During this period, the Elector Count of Talabecland is present, meaning that either Feuerbach has returned, or that someone new has stepped in. The Red Shields however, are not mentioned - the most active Knightly Orders of the Ulrican side (Talabecland included) of the conflict were the White Wolves and Knights Panther.
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Hmm Karl Franz old and dying does this mean he is going to be dead soon and a new Emperor will take the throne and a new model will emerge? That is super cheap they basically cut out the Storm of Chaos story. tons of uber characters, Grimgor vs Archaon that comes to mind. I shall read about the Empire in Flames one now just so I know the story there.
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I been searching the whole day about stories about Talabecland and count Helmut Feuerbach, sadly i cant find mutch about the red shields.
And sadly i dont like the talabecland colors, red and yellow.. onlything i will be using red for is there shields and some dark colors, something like dark blue.
Actually, the Empire book (as it stands) still acknowledges the Storm of Chaos in it's timeline and in the present characters. Grand Theogonist Volkmar, as well as Luthor Huss, are still operating as characters under the assumption that the war has been fought. Valten would be present if it wasn't for the fact that he too disappeared after the war. Unfortunately, the book mentions nothing of the Red Shields or Feuerbach.
I doubt that GW will advance the timeline far enough to have Franz actually die - the 'Empire in Flames' is pretty old, but it is the only time that GW has advanced the timeline significantly beyond the Storm. There's a stickied thread in the fluff section, but to paraphrase:
Franz is getting old and senile, with no direct heir. In his senility he outlaws the killing of mutants and treats them as afflicted individuals - this causes an uproar across the Empire, but especially in the more traditional Ulrican states. Tension is begun. Franz is assassinated by one of his guards, who declares "long live Ulric" or something like that, and blames it (with no real certainty) on the Ulrican faction. Franz's nephew (through his sister) Wolfgang is next to rule, and during the ceremonial court of the Elector Counts one of the counts votes 'No', which is against protocol. The kid freaks out, turns into a mutant, kills the count, and is killed in turn by his own bodyguards. Now there is no heir, the Ulricans are taking the blame, and all hell breaks loose.
The Ulricans band together and raise their armies, and the "loyalist" Sigmarites rally their own forces. The Ulricans also manage to pull in Nuln through a romantic interest between the duchess of Nuln and the son of an Ulrican Count. Practically all of the Knights and about 2/3s of the Wizard college go to the Sigmarites. Skirmishes begin outside of Nuln with the Ulricans taking an early lead. They press the advantage but are being very cautious not to cause too much collateral damage (the Sigmarites are butchering Ulricans wherever they find them). A group of adventurers is dispatched to find Ghal Maraz, the true hammer of Sigmar (in the roleplaying game, Franz does not wield the Hammer of Sigmar, although it could be reasoned that it's just a false badge of office). They return just in time for the only true pitched battle of the war, outside the gates of a Sigamarite city. The hammer leads itself to the true heir of Sigmar, a bastard son of both Sigmarite and Ulrican descent, and he is "voted" into office almost unanimously right there on the battlefield (there's all kinds of hoodoo about a twin-tailed comet and a giant wolf spirit et-al) .
I can imagine that they might incorporate some of that into the next book, just because it's rumored that the Ulricans are making a comeback in the model line and the fluff.
I thought Valten was dead? After the final battle against Archaon and Grimgor Valten is injured and got taken back to wherever and the doctors tended to him. During the night the skaven send an assasin to kill valten in his sleep(got to love those sneaky rats).
The next day Luthor Huss tells this to Karl franz, Karl takes back the hammer of Sigmar that he gave to valten and tells Huss to tell the people that their emperor has returned (himself).
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The way I heard the legend ended, Valten was wounded and tended, and Luthor Huss was supposed to keep an eye on him. Unfortunately, Valten sort of "checked himself out" of the physician's and disappeared. The hammer was returned to Karl Franz, but he never declared himself to be Sigmar - that would start a massive war similar to the Empire in Flames scenario.
I think the idea is that:
Sigmar - did his job, then wandered off to disappear
Valted - did his job, then wandered off to disappear
see a connection here? It's like the roaming god concept from primitive religion - the idea that your god is still alive but not around, and will return for the final battle against evil. The Space Wolf fluff got a similar treatment with Russ, since he disappeared into the Warp but the Wolves still keep his spear ready for his "imminent" return.
I always thought that the story ended with Luthor Huss finding Valten's bed covered in blood with a warstone blade on the floor with a skaven sign of the horned rat engraved in the wall.
Rather than tell the people that Valten is dead ,which could spark a civil war because as I understood Valten by taking Karl Franz's hammer before the final battle of the storm of chaos had unoffically been chosen as the new emperor. Valten's death if it became public would create a problem of succession because the elector counts may have called for a an election rather than return to rule under Franz. Franz seeing the problem and being the pragamitist he is tells Huss to tell the people that Valten has gone after Archoan (therefore into the chaos wastes like sigmar did) and that their emperor has returned taking back the hammer of sigmar which is the symbol of office.
This way mass panic doesn't spread and the Empire does not fracture into a state of civil war
Last edited by whatfruit; April 1st, 2012 at 20:37.
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