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The warhammer rules say that all guess range weaponry must be fired at the beginning of the shooting phase, and that all the ranges must be guessed before firing all of the war machines.
However, in historical battles, war machines, (particularly cannon) fired one after the other, with each gunner trying to improve on the last shot.
The rules as they stand do not allow this to happen.
What do you think?
i thought it said that all guess range weaponry must be fired before other ranged weaponry
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I would say you have to fire them first otherwise you will find people using other missile units as range finders. Eg my x-bowmen are <this amout> out if I fire my cannon and guess <this much> they should hit.
While this is historically correct it wouldn't make for a fun game as everyone would be using it to find out the range. Every shot would hit, and so cause large amounts of causlties. The idea is so that you don't know the range, firing other units first would be the same as using a ruler to find the range.
hmmm i see i think u guess and fire one weapon then guess and fire the next and so on till u fire all ur guess weapons but i will try and find out cause that could be a problem.
Naturally all sorts of realities of warfare are massaged and simplified into a manageable ruleset for use with miniatures. If things were to be more real, for example, archers would shoot much farther and fire more rapidly. We would also be fighting battles with closer to a thousand models.
As it is, yes, if you have multiple guess range weapons you nominate their target(s), state your guess range(s), roll scatter or bounce dice as neccessary and then measure out the resulting number(s). Afterwards you fire your remaining ranged weapons: handgunners, crossbows, bows, Hellblaster.
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If you think about logically it is best to do the guess work first that way you can see who is in range of the other stuff that you don't need to guess first.
In other words put your toe in the water then jump in when right.
Besides, with a little practice it's really very easy to guess ranges...you just have to mentally carve the battlefield up into a grid...you know how wide the battelfield is (generally 4' and you know the edges of your deployment zones (generally each 12" wide, meaning there is 2' between the two zones) so with a little thought you should be able to work out almost exactly how far away the enemy units are.
Best thing to do is just practice alot with guess range weapons, but for maybe the fastest results play lots of games with no guess range war machines so that when you do play with a guess range warmachine your abilties to recognise ranges and distance will be at such a great level that you only get better from there.