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I just bought the new Empire Army Book, and I have finished reading through it. One of the items I really seem to like is the Griffon Standard. I have constructed a 2000 pt preliminary list including a BSB with the Griffon Standard and I have a feeling it will be a very important part of the list. What are your thoughts on this standard, or magic standards in general, and how much effect they can have on a battle? Also, what do you think is the most effective unit to place the BSB in with this banner?
i would say that banner would need to be used in Greatswords, so that they could be the centre point of your line. This means that the banner will be well protected, and the greatswords usually only have 6 attacks a turn anyways. This banner requires you to assault in groups, so at least some units can pursue, which anyone should always do. In general, i dont like any of the banners(save the war banner, which i use in almost every army), so i dont really have any experience, but i actually put lots of thought into this one, but determined that 10 halberdiers would be more usful to me in the long run.
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The Griffon Standard was a major strategic factor in the old empire army book, at 50 points it could be easily fielded with a unit of Great Swords or if you had an EC any state troops. It basically says "I win" for combat resolution provided your can keep losses to minimum and maintain at least 2 ranks. It can very easily turn a close fight into easy victory for you. Swordsman and GS were ideal this. Yes, you could not pursue but you have detachments that can, if nothing else "bouncing" the enemy off costs them a standard and costs them a turn of movement (several if they are lucky). Furthermore, you could hid it in a unit. This also meant your BSB could take magic items, Armor of Meteroic Iron, Enchanted shield, or a ward save.
Now that it is 50+ the only way to field it is with a BSB with no magic armor. This makes it a great deal risker. The enemy knows where the Griffon standard could be, and killing BSB is not all that difficult. The risks got greater, the rewards not any better.
The dirtiest trick I have found is to pair the Griffon Standard with an Empire General on a Griffon, if you haven't noticed yet, a Griffon with a rider is Unit Strength 5 (Griffon=4 + General=1). You can bounce the enemy unit off your own and into a Griffon sitting right behind them, since enemies run straight back. It works best if you can charge into the enemy, but if you could also angle yourself to carom the enemy unit off the charge into the EC.
Placement: In order for you to win with the Griffon standard you must have ranks (duh), in order to keep those ranks, you must keep your men alive, ie you want defensive fighters rather then offensive fighters. Swordsman and the GS are the best, with WS4 and a solid save in CC, they have the highest survival chance of any of your infantry, you do now win through wounds but combat resolution. I play both in my list, so I place the BSB where ever I think there will be the most trouble.
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Right with the griffon banner being more expentive than it was, I still will take it anyways even tho its BSB only item but never the less and i cannot give my bsb a aomi no more but i find mounting him on a barded warhorse, full plate armour covers your bsb and since mounted units can no longer be shot at while in infantry units it works our very nicely in the end.
I use the Griffon standard quite often. I find it works best in a unit of 25-30 Swordsmen. The BSB is vulnerable, but no more so than if he were in a unit of Greatswords.
The key with using it is to use your detachments so you don;t get flanked - No rank bonus, and you have a 55pt lemon attached to your standard.
I don't worry about the ranks of my Greatswords so much, as they break on their base 8 regardless of CR. The only time I would give it to the Greatswords is if I was facing fear-causing troops, and needed to boost the Cr so that I was needing to take the test. Even then, my General usually has the Icon of Magnus and is in the Greatswords.
Assuming 2000pts, my usual base units are 25 Swordsmen, 20 Greatswords, and 15 Flagellants (Core choice because of my Warrior Priest) with some detachments of HGuns and FreeComp. I mix and match the rest of my points depending on my mood, and if I know what my opponent is playing or not.